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Legion 4

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:43 pm

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I agree ... No Titans for Squats ... they Have heavy AFVs ... Of course as in the "old days", Squats were Imperial allies so Titans could work with them ... just like IG & SMs ! :;):

That's still the way we do it ! :;):

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primarch

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:33 pm

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Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 29 Nov. 2005 (02:38))

I don't think titans would fit in the theme of squats well. Instead, the Juggernaut vehicles of old times would fit them perfectly. Truly _gigantic_ tracked fortresses, bigger even than Capitol Imperialis. ? :cool:

Hi!

Agreed. A race of subterranean tech humoids would come up with slow moving heavily armored and armed vehicles.

The "largeness" is actually appropriate from a psychological standpoint, since a race of small humanoids would compensate their size with constructions on a grand scale.

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Dwarf Supreme

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:38 pm

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Quote (primarch @ 28 Nov. 2005 (17:30))

Hi!

Epic is quite ahead of 40k in expanding the squats. It gave them some character in the form of huge warmarchines, which is difficult to do in 40k.

I think epic was developing them nicely as a Clan bound, tech race with emphasis on overly large vehicles and tanks. Too bad they were cut from Epic 40k.

Primarch

I completely agree. When I think of Squats, I never think of them in 40k terms, but rather as they are in epic, sci-fi versions of my beloved dwarves.

Also agree that Titans really don't fit their theme. Given all the super heavies they have, I never felt that Titans were lacking. Of course I did often use them with Titan allies!

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Jaldon

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:16 pm

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Dwarf Supreme:Also agree that Titans really don't fit their theme. Given all the super heavies they have, I never felt that Titans were lacking. Of course I did often use them with Titan allies!

Heretic

My computer upgrades now all work, and I can create PDF files now, yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gharmull's Background is in the hands of the local players for their comments, and this weekend I will be recieving those, and will try to get it up Sunday or Monday for you guys here.

Two projects are slated for the Squats next, as we have encountered no problems with the two most recent lists. Players are to assume the old Striker is now the Thunder Raider, and the Squat Gorgon is the Mastadon. The revised lists will be gotten to Hena and CS later, but the names are the only changes, the stats are remaining the same.

What I really want from the group here is ideas for a fourth Squat Super Heavy Tank, and one or maybe even two possible new Battle Cars for the Land Train. (For the LT please do not suggest a Void Shield replenishing/repair Battle Car we already have tried that idea and couldn't make it work.)

These vehicles will be used for the Squat version of the Gargant/AMTL lists which I am working on the rough draft for at present, around other projects :wow:

Any other thoughts for the list like different Robots, and such are not only welcome but encouraged.

Thanks All

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Legion 4

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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:09 am

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I like robots ! My IG, SMs & Squats all have'm !!

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CyberShadow

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:05 am

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Quote (Jaldon @ 02 Dec. 2005 (22:16))

The revised lists will be gotten to Hena and CS later, but the names are the only changes, the stats are remaining the same.

Sounds good. If you like, I can host this in the main section of this site, and put a link on these boards...

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Jaldon

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:04 pm

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Gharmull?s Stronghold

Gharmull?s Stronghold is made up of only three systems each with only a handful of populated planets, and this would make on think that it is the weakest, and poorest, of all the known Strongholds in the Squat Confederacy, yet this is most definitely not the case. The Squats believe that the systems under Gharmull?s control are the first ever settled by the Squat race, and the fact that Gharmull?s name does appear as the very first signatory of the ?Act of Confederacy? seems to confirm this.

This makes Gharmull?s the single most ancient of all the Squat Strongholds, and therefore the Squat race holds it in the highest of reverence, some would even say awe. So for the Squats it seemed only natural that Gharmull?s Stronghold should also be home to both ?The Grand Council of the Confederacy? and ?The Engineers Guild Grand Lodge?. While it is true that the Grand Council itself holds little real power within the Confederacy, it is the repository of, and the interpreter for, ?The Law Book of the Ancestor Lords? making it the final arbitrator of disputes within the Confederacy. It is also the only body within the Confederacy with the power to test, and then appoint, a Grand Warlord to lead a League of Strongholds, or even the entire Squat race if needed. Considering that the Council itself is made up of the oldest ?Living Ancestors? from each Stronghold there isn?t a single Squat that would dispute any decision the Council would make.

?The Engineers Guild Grand Lodge? is the exact opposite of the Grand Council and it literally rules over all the Guild Lodges that are spread across the entire width and breadth of the Confederacy. This arrangement may seem odd compared to the loose organization of the Confederacy, but this tight reign prevents the individual Lodges from being able to take sides in internal disputes, while at the same time creating a central repository for all the collected knowledge of the entire race so that all can benefit from it. While there is no formal arrangement that makes the Engineers Guild subservient to the Grand Council, the Guild Masters themselves feel it is their duty to serve the entire Squat race and to accomplish this requires them to remain under the control of the Council.

The small size of Gharmull?s means that it fields the smallest Brotherhoods compared to other Strongholds, however these meager forces are heavily reinforced by the forces of the Engineers Guild, which itself has the resources of the entire Confederacy to draw from. So while Gharmull?s will often field a small force, that army will contain a much higher percentage of Guild equipment compared to other Strongholds.

Any thoughts before I make it un-official official?

Sounds good CS, thanks, but it is going to be a week or two, maybe even three before I am done with it.

Jaldon

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Jaldon

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:14 pm

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Note To Cyber Shadow: Please DO NOT put this in the Consolidated Squat List area yet. Instead leave it here in the commentary post for now, read on to see why.......

Imbach's Stronghold
For the first time in the Squat Project we are not going to playtest "In House" for a bit and then post the list, instead, we are going to post the same 'raw list' we will be starting with, so we expect trouble right out of the box!

These 'raw lists' start out by leaning heavily on what we already know works, twisted a bit for the new list, and then is modified as we go to fit the goals we have set for that list. So saying "Hey, Jaldon, Are you Nutz!" will be perfectly acceptable from the start as input is the final goal.

The Goals For Imbach's Stronghold
We want to create a list that depends heavily on it's War Engines, aka AMTL/OGBM, hits the enemy with sledgehammer hard firepower, and has all the maneuverability of a wounded Grot. We also want it to have difficulty establishing a continuous front, the same foible that the AMTL/OGBM suffer from.

Imbach's Stronghold

Core Formations

Land Train (300 points)
1xEngine and any single Battle Car
Upgrades: Battle Car, Living Ancestor, Warlord

Goliath Mega-Cannon Battery (200 points)
2xGoliath Mega-Cannons
Upgrade: Thunderfire

Overlord Armored Airship Squadron (150 points each)
1 to 2 Overlords
Upgrades: none

Super Heavy Tank Battery (400 points)
Any one of the following, Mastadon, Colossus, Cyclops, or Leviathan
Upgrades: Living Ancestor, Warlord, (Iron Hawk: Colossus only)

Hellbore (100 points)
1xHellbore
Upgrades: none

Robot Legion (325 points)
5xAttack Robots, 3xSupport Robots
Upgrades: none
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Supports/Brotherhoods
(Up to 1/3 of the army's total points maximum)

Warrior Brotherhood (300pts)
1xLord, 11xWarrior
Upgrades: Warrior, Thunderer, Thunderfire, Thudd Gun, Tarantula, Tunneler

Bezerker Brotherhood (150pts)
8xBezerkers
Upgrades: Bezerkers, Tunnelers

Hearthguard (300pts)
6xHearthguard
Upgrades: Tunnelers, Living Ancestor, Warlord

Iron Eagle Squadron (300pts)
5xIron Eagle Gyrocopters (Skimmer)
Upgrades: none

Robot Cohort (200pts)
5xRobots
Upgrades: none

Thunderer Battery (250pts)
5xThunderers
Upgrades: Thunderer, Tunneller

Thunderfire Battery (150pts)
3xThunderfire AA Guns
Upgrades: none

Gun Battery (150pts)
Any combination of six of the following units; Thudd Gun, Mole Mortar, Tarantula
Upgrades: none

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Upgrades
(max of one upgrade each per formation)

Upgrade/Core Units/Cost
0-1 Living Ancestor/1xLiving Ancestor Character/50pts
Warlord/1xWarlord Character/25pts
Guild Master/1xGuild Master Character/25pts
Bezerkers/4xBezerkers/100pts
Warriors/4xWarriors/100pts
Thunderers/1-3 Thunderers/50pts each
Thunderfire/1-2 Thunderfires/50pts each
Thudd Gun/3xThudd Guns/50pts
Tarantula/3xTarantula/50pts
Mole Mortar/3xMole Mortars/50pts
Iron Hawk/1xIron Hawk Gyrocopter/50pts

Tunneller
Only as many of the following as it would take to transport the formation carried
Mole: 25pts each
Termite: 15pts each

Battle Cars Up to a maximum of seven of the following
0-3 Dragon Battle Car: 125pts
0-1 Bomb Battle Car: 150pts
0-2 Mortar Battle Car: 150pts
0-3 Bezerker Battle Car: 125pts
0-3 Thunder Battle Car: 150pts
0-3 Warrior Battle Car: 125pts
0-1 Missile Battle Car: 125pts

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New Units For Imbach's Stronghold

Mastadon (WE)
Speed/Armor/CC/FF
15cm/4+/3+/3+
Weapons/Range/Firepower
Mastadon Cannon/60cm/6xBP IDF FxF
2xBattle Cannons/75cm/AP4+/AT4+ F/RS
2xBattle Cannons/75cm/AP4+/AT4+ F/LS
2xStorm Bolter Batteries/(15cm)/small arms FF+1A 1st Strike
Notes: DC-6, Reinforced Armor, Thick Rear Armor, Fearless
Critical: -1 Extra DC

Warrior Battle Car (WE)
Speed/Armor/CC/FF
10cm/4+/4+/4+
Weapons/Range/Firepower
2xTwin Linked Autoguns/30cm/AP3+/AT5+
Notes: DC-2, 1xVoid Shield, Reinforced Armor, Thick Rear Armor, Fearless, Transport (12xWarrior, Bezerkers, Thunderers, Lord)
Critical: -1 Extra DC

Missile Battle Car (WE)
Speed/Armor/CC/FF
10cm/4+/4+/4+
Weapons/Range/Firepower
Thermal Missiles/60cm/2xBPMW
Notes: DC-2, 1xVoid Shield, Reinforced Armor, Thick Rear Armor, Fearless
Critical: -1 Extra DC

Attack Robot (AV)
Speed/Armor/CC/FF
10cm/4+/5+/5+
Weapons/Range/Firepower
Twin-Linked Auto Cannon/45cm/AP4+/AT5+
Power Claw/CC/CCMW+1A
Notes: Walker, Fearless

Support Robot (AV)
Speed/Armor/CC/FF
10cm/4+/5+/5+
Weapons/Range/CC/FF
Multi-Melta/15cm/MW5+ or FFMW+1A
Power Claw/CC/CCMW+1A
Notes: Walker, Fearless

Jaldon

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Dwarf Supreme

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:37 pm

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I like the list for Imbach's Stronghold.

One comment, I don't know if it should be called a "Super Heavy Tank Battery", since "battery" implies more than one of something.

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Sandgropper

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:37 pm

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looks like fun. i'll try it out soon!

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Sandgropper

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:39 pm

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what are you using to represent the mastadon?

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Jaldon

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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:21 am

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what are you using to represent the mastadon?

A Capitol Imperialis

Jaldon

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Jaldon

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:11 pm

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Just a bump to notify everybody that I now have a PDF converter and will be sending out the finished, looks pretty, lists of the first three armies.

Jaldon:p

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Sandgropper

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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:09 pm

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Hey Jaldon, quick question.
If I am using the experimental rules for IDF then I double my range but have a minimum range of 30cm. How does this apply to the mega cannon? Would it now read 30 ? 180cm if firing indirectly or 60 ? 180cm or what??

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Sandgropper

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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:57 am

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by the way, Merry Christmas all

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