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3k Space Marines from a Noob, help me!

 Post subject: 3k Space Marines from a Noob, help me!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:11 am 
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Okay, so I'm hoping to attend a tournament at the end of November. I have a pile of Space Marines but unfortunately I'm also VERY new to the game, having played it once a few years back. I have a vague recollection of the rules but I'm definitely going to need another demo of how to play before I attend this tournament!

Anyway, I thought I'd put together an army list out of what I have painted, then you all can tell me what's wrong with it. Any advice at all would be appreciated. ;D

Tactical w. Supreme Commander, 2x Razorbacks & Vindicator - 500

Tactical w. Librarian, 2x Razorbacks & Vindicator - 450

Assault - 175

Devastator w. 2x Dreads - 350

Terminator - 350

Land Speeders w. 1x Tornado - 200

Land Raiders - 350

Predators w. 4x Annihilators - 275

Thunderbolts - 150

Strike Cruiser - 200

TOTAL: 2955

So the Terminators teleport in (I assume I need the strike cruiser for that?) and the Devs with Dreadnoughts act as my garrison force. I have no Hunters in my collection, so the Thunderbolts are on AA duty.

In terms of other models, I actually have a sizable collection with a bit of everything. The only things I'm missing are Drop pods, Hunters, a Landing Craft and any Imperial Support aside from 4x Thunderbolts. I do have 2x Thunderhawks though, so they're an option.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:15 am 
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Terminators can teleport without the Strike Cruiser.

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Or any unit with teleport incidentally (though of course the question was specifically around Marines)

I'd take a single razorback in each of the tactical. By only including one you get to keep a full complement of the Rhinos and basically "gain" and extra 2bm for the formation.

How are planning on delivering those Devs into battle?

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Space Marines from a Noob, help me!
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What variety of the Epic army lists is the tournament using? There's a couple of different sets of lists - UK tournaments normally use lists produced by the Epic-UK organisation, while the rest of the world normally use international Net-EA lists. I hope I'm not confusing you with this but I ask as the points for a few formations are different under the Net-EA Space Marine list. The tournament pack for your tournament should specify or just tell us where abouts in the world the tournament is taking place and we should know from that.

A single Razorback is optimum, that way there's a spare transport slot which can occasionally help keep the formation mobile without having to leave a stand behind after transport casualties. Adding a single Land Raider to your mechanised Tactical and Devestator formations is excellent too - that 4+ Reinforced Armour really helps cut down on casualties. I'd suggest dropping a Vindicator and Razorback from each and replacing with a Land Raider.

You could really do with more AA and a Hunter or two ideally (some ground AA is always best). Do you have any Whirlwinds you could use as Hunters? You'd just mention to your opponent at the start that the Whirlwinds 'count as' Hunters and that would be fine. Forge World sell a Space Marine AA tank that is a version of a Whirlwind so it could be quite fitting.


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 Post subject: Re: 3k Space Marines from a Noob, help me!
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Did you have the tourney? Terminators without a chaplain is a bit of a waste...

What others say about razorbacks, vindicators slow you down, a thunderhawk is better than a strikecruiser and dreds generally don't work outside of CC - if that dev & dred formation is a garrison without rhinos it needs a hunter...

Try and match speeds together (so vindies with land raiders?) and if you have the thunderhawk consider the old ass/dev filling. Not as good as terminators, but hey hum.

The minimal changes I would consider are...

Tactical w. Supreme Commander, 1x Razorback & Hunter - 500 (BTS)
Tactical, 1x Razorback - 325
Assault - 175
Devastator w. 2x Dreads & Hunter - 425
Terminator, Chaplain - 400
Land Speeders w. 1x Tornado - 200
Land Raiders - 350
Predators w. 4x Annihilators - 275
Thunderbolts - 150
Thunderhawk - 200
3000


(Though I would rather replace the second tactical and assault marines with scouts and terminators, of course I wouldn't use the dev garrison either!)
Going more off your original idea is

Tactical w. Supreme Commander, 1x Razorback & Hunter - 500 (BTS)
Terminator, Chaplain - 400
Terminator, Chaplain - 400
Devastator, 1 razorback (las) & Hunter - 350
Land Raiders - 350
Predators w. 4x Annihilators - 275
Land Speeders w. 1x Tornado - 200
Scouts, 1 Razorback - 175
Thunderbolts - 150
Thunderhawk - 200

Though it is a bit activation light... Got any warhounds? :)
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