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 Post subject: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:07 am 
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Argh! I had forgotten the torture of trying to fit 6000 points of cool stuff into a 3000 point list!

So, I am building a new force from fresh. I wanted to use the Steel Legion list to represent an Ad Mech Skitari force. The problem is, all the flavour units dont seem to make the cut into a basic 3000 points (bikers as Rough Riders, robots as Fire Support, Servitors as Ogryns...). Its the age old issue of fluff vs effectiveness, and I would be happy to go more background flavour than what I have here.

My first draft is:
- Reg HQ + Hydra (550)
- Mech Infantry (400)
- Tank Co (650)
+ Artillery battery (250)
+ Rough Riders (150)
+ Super Heavy (200)
= Reaver (650)
= Thunderbolts (150)

Yeah, I know, a Reaver and a Super Heavy, but its at least in theme, and I am a fan of the Reaver.

I worry that my activation count is pretty low, and my AA is limited (although Thunderbolts will be on CAP until enemy aircraft are gone).

There is a lot that I would to add - Hellhounds, more Rough Riders, FireSupport Platoon, a second Super Heavy....

I am considering dropping the Reaver and adding a second Super Heavy and still having 450 points to play with.

Suggestions? Feedback? Comments? Ridicule?

EDIT - The more I think about it... Dropping the Reaver would free up the points for a second Rough Rider platoon, and allow me to add Fire Support, and take my activations to 9, and allow me to uograde a single super heavy to a company of three! I think I will do this.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:36 am 
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So, the new list stands at...

- Reg HQ + Hydra + Fire Support in Chimera (700)
- Mech Infantry (400)
- Tank Co (650)
- Super Heavy Co + Hydra (550)
+ Artillery Battery (250)
+ Rough Rider Platoon (150)
+ Rough Rider Platoon (150)
= Thunderbolts (150)

While I lament to loss of any Titan, and a Reaver in particular, I really like this list. Still only 8 activations, but more AA and most of the toys I want.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:46 pm 
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Too BA you cant get some robots (ogryns) to accompany the SHT. They hug the tanks for cover, works as an ablative shield, and protect the tanks from CC attacks.
I'd probably go for a single SHT and slot in another arty (manticore) + hydra

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:12 am 
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jimmyzimms wrote:
Too BA you cant get some robots (ogryns) to accompany the SHT. They hug the tanks for cover, works as an ablative shield, and protect the tanks from CC attacks.
I'd probably go for a single SHT and slot in another arty (manticore) + hydra


Try to keep up, Bond... Ogryns are now Servitors (cc heavies), and its the Fire Support teams that are now Robots (heavy weapons, see). ;D

My own random substitutions aside, I generally dislike this kind of arrangement. Throwing a couple of infantry stands in a SHV formation just gives the AP dedicated weapons something to do and shoot at in my experience. But, thats what the bikes (was, Rough Riders!) are for. I will hold one formation back until turn four, where they will counter charge any close combat or short ranged threat to the heavy tanks. Their 4+ cc, extra attack and first strike along with being fast assaulters and a separate formation makes them ideal for this kind of thing. At turn four, they will sally forth towards the nearest objective. The second Bike formation will probably run interference for the Tank Company.

I am very tempted by the extra Artillery.... but the idea of a set of three super heavies rolling forward is just too cool to ignore, and I really need something with serious big hit capacity in the list for kill shots, I think. I will probably go with two Shadowswords and a Baneblade for this formation.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:52 pm 
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AP shots can already target AVs. They just can't cause damage so your retort does not compute ;)
If you're throwing away AP shots to kill an ogryn then more power to ya! If you've got such an activation advantage that you can, then it doesn't matter.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:12 am 
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jimmyzimms wrote:
AP shots can already target AVs. They just can't cause damage so your retort does not compute ;)
If you're throwing away AP shots to kill an ogryn then more power to ya! If you've got such an activation advantage that you can, then it doesn't matter.


Just to make sure that I have been playing this right... As I understand it, AP weapons can fire at vehicles, but cant damage them. So the target formation would only get the single blast marker for coming under fire, and even then only if it was a different firing formation to any AT weapons fired. A formation of both AP and AT weapons firing at tanks only results in the AP shots being entirely ineffective.... Correct?

Its not about throwing away shots. Most formations would have AP only weapons, and mixing Ogryns into my tanks just gives them a target when otherwise the AP weapons would be wasted. But, thats just my personal play style.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:12 am 
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Ahh that makes more sense. And yes, you're correct and we're both saying the same thing :)

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:46 am 
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Dear Diary... 11th October.... The day my wife said would never arrive.... The day that I was right about something! :spin

Thanks. Good to know that I have not forgotten everything at least. :D

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
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I see our wives are related ;)

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:08 am 
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Minor point, but bts and sc in same formation not good... Also if you have a mixed WE/AV formation people can choose hich to shoot. Is not a list I would go for, but a slight re-jigging gives you...

- Tank Co + Hydra (700) (BTS) (Commissar)
- Mech Infantry + Hydra + Fire Support in Chimera (600) (Commissar)
- Reg HQ (500) (SC) (Commissar)
- Super Heavy Co (500) (Commissar)
+ Artillery Battery (250)
+ Rough Rider Platoon (150) (Commissar)
+ Rough Rider Platoon (150) (Commissar)
= Thunderbolts (150)

If you want Ogryns (servitors) switch the fire support for Ogryns and either add a hydra to the HQ or turn a rough rider formation into 2 sentinel (robot) formations


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:51 am 
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The_Real_Chris wrote:
Minor point, but bts and sc in same formation not good... Also if you have a mixed WE/AV formation people can choose hich to shoot. Is not a list I would go for, but a slight re-jigging gives you...

- Tank Co + Hydra (700) (BTS) (Commissar)
- Mech Infantry + Hydra + Fire Support in Chimera (600) (Commissar)
- Reg HQ (500) (SC) (Commissar)
- Super Heavy Co (500) (Commissar)
+ Artillery Battery (250)
+ Rough Rider Platoon (150) (Commissar)
+ Rough Rider Platoon (150) (Commissar)
= Thunderbolts (150)

If you want Ogryns (servitors) switch the fire support for Ogryns and either add a hydra to the HQ or turn a rough rider formation into 2 sentinel (robot) formations


Oh, thats better, and still keeps the toys that I like. Thanks.

However... I was reminded that I plan to do two Epic forces, and that the other would be my own home grown Genestealer Cult list.... and that works out very similar to yet another Skitari/PDF/IG list, so I am now debating if my initial EA army selection should be switched.... Perhaps to Eldar or Tau as diametrically opposite to a Cult force.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:34 am 
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Well Eldar are the most alien... Tau have an ever growing range of proxies though. I find Tau more fun as I love the synergies you can generate and the fact you can drop a gaint UFo from orbit! But Gavin has done some fun Eldar lists like his horde of mutually supporting jetbikes. The standard sucessful Eldar list do strike me as a bit like the Guard but better - their super heavy artillary, skimmer mechanised forces with FF4+, etc etc. Obviously with weaknesses, but I fail to get into the right mindset when playing them!


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 Post subject: Re: 3000 points of Skitari
PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:41 pm 
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Given my history with the Tau, and the fact that Onslught has me covered for minis, I am leaning in that direction right now.

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