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Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion)
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Author:  Overmind [ Sun May 11, 2014 7:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion)
Hello

As you can see in the barrage table, the maximum BP points is 18. Given that, I reallised one of the few formations that is able to achieve this awesome firepower is an Artillery Company composed enterely of Manticores and/or Bombards.

Ok, my first question is: what's the best unit of theese two? I know, I know... It depends of the circunstances, the oposing army, the metagame, and things like that, but for some reason I prefer the Manticore over the Bombard. If you achieve to shoot with the full formation, it means the objetive could get inmediately about 10 Blast Markers (due to the Disrupt skill). I supose it's really easy to break almost any formation from the very beginning. Sure, you cannot shoot during the next turn, but it's possible to take any other action, like marching into a better position to do another barrage shot later!

I supose this kind of formation is really fragile and you have to protect it very welll with the rest of your army, but it seems very attractive to me.

What do you think? Have you ever tryed/suffered this fully powered type of formation?
Author:  caregadras [ Sun May 11, 2014 7:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion
Hi, if you are playing a 5kpts or more game you can think to buy an entire artillery company. If not it's too expensive. I prefere 9 basilisk. 9bp all turns.
Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Sun May 11, 2014 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion
caregadras wrote:
Hi, if you are playing a 5kpts or more game you can think to buy an entire artillery company. If not it's too expensive. I prefere 9 basilisk. 9bp all turns.

So do I. But I also like the option to fire directly with AP/AT 4+ with 9 shots
Author:  kyussinchains [ Sun May 11, 2014 8:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion
I'd agree-ish, I think 8 basilisks and a manticore is optimum as 9BP is no better than 8, whereas 10 gives you the extra blast marker, that way you can fire a 10BP barrage one turn and 8BP the next, and you still have the option of direct fire, with the added bonus of a 2BP disrupt template! the other option is the full 9 manticores, you can either go for an 18BP triple-template disrupt barrage with an extra 4 blast markers which pretty much insta-breaks anything (luck notwithstanding ;) ) or you can go for the 10/8 flip-flop and keep the disrupt bonus, manticores are more fragile than basilisks and can't direct fire however....

AFAIK you can't mix bombards into an artillery company, just take them as batteries, I love me some bombards, they are awesome against nids and guard hiding in terrain....
Author:  Overmind [ Mon May 12, 2014 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion
Wow!! Very good idea, thank you very much. Right know I own 4 basilisk, 4 manticores and 2 bombards, so I need:
- 4 basilisk (to build a formation of 8 basillisk plus 1 manticore)
- 5 manticores (if I want to go crazy with the 18 BP formation)
- 1 bombard (to build a support batery of 3)

I didn't realiise bombards cannot be chosen in the artillery companies of the Steel Legion! Thank you again.

New question: are artillery companies common in "competitive" Steel Legion armies?
Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Mon May 12, 2014 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion
Overmind wrote:
New question: are artillery companies common in "competitive" Steel Legion armies?

Not in armies of 3000-4000pts. At 5000 they come into their own.
Author:  caregadras [ Mon May 12, 2014 3:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion
right.

In tournament, each point you spent in artillery is a point less at the front, and EA is a game of take and hold, a game of conquest. In 3-4k tournament an entire artillery company is an hazard.
Author:  lord-bruno [ Mon May 12, 2014 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion
caregadras wrote:
right.

In tournament, each point you spent in artillery is a point less at the front, and EA is a game of take and hold, a game of conquest. In 3-4k tournament an entire artillery company is an hazard.


The same could be said about air force, and tournament lists don't lack A/C or AA whatsoever. :wah

But I agree, the artillery company is just too big, expensive and fragile, even over 4000 points.
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Mon May 12, 2014 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best type of unit for an Artillery Company (Steel Legion
Paint them up as they look just awesome together but yeah, under 5k it's a huge points sink relative to their Resource Kill Ratio. They do tend to come into their own at larger points and against eldar with their ability to shoot and scamper into cover/out of LOS. For the record, there's been some discussion about allowing the Steel Legion to take 6 units (upgradable to 9) to help make this iconic unit more viable at 3-4k (a debate I tend to agree with in principle)
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