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| Author: | pati [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | How to use a Warlock titan? |
Hi, I need help with this unit -the Warlock. It is an assault unit, i know. It needs some support, mechanized guardians, etc. i know. I'm jut curious, in which craftworlds list do you include it (Alaitoc? why not?  ), and how do you use it -and how succesfully do you use it against for example an AMTL list!
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
I post something like this frequently ... this is what I posted on TMP recently ... I've played many, many, many games with Titans[or Mechs if you prefer] … my experiences may be different than yours. We/I see them as large heavy mobile weapons platforms. Kind of like Naval BB support. Their biggest job is to kill the enemy Titans/Mechs and gain "superiority", likened to air superiority. So the other more numerous ground forces can fire and maneuver and do their jobs. Our games alway start with the Titans trying to blow each other up and the many of the ground force joining in. Along with CAS, Off Board FA and orbital assets as well, if available. Using the big target for what it is … a big target. Shields are rapidly depleted. And firepower from all assets start blowing pieces off them. So within a few turns one side's are burning wrecks and the other side's are literally on their last leg. Then the ground forces can continue to do their jobs unimpeded. Titans generally always take shots at other titans. To shot at anything else, we consider a waste. Unless there is no other shot. Never mount a close combat weapon on a titan hard point, only ranged weapons. Anyone dumb enough to try and run into close combat, is dropped along the way. Like that guy with a sword going after Indiana Jones who is packing a pistol in Raiders … Ranged weapons and fire power … not chain and/or power fists. Even infantry with a number of AT weapons can rapidly deplete shields/fields. Add all the fire support for the Grunts and/or Armor with other titans, FA, CAS, etc. as I said, … smoking wrecks … As the crew on Tac Cmd said, that is a page for L4's SoTR … |
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| Author: | pati [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
Actually, i think a single Warlock is dead against an AMTL list. MAny big titans against one -The Warlock is 850p -whch is the category of a Warlord. A Warlord is far more superior than the poor Warlock, so I feel, that it has no chance to survive till the 2nd turn in a game like that
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| Author: | pati [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
Actually anyone knows, why does the Warlord is 2+ CC, and the Warlock is only 3+ ?? |
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| Author: | Ginger [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
Check out the E-UK championship army lists here. While these are from the UK tournament scene, it will give an idea of the army makeup containing Warlocks, and how they have fared against other lists. Note, if the Warlock acts as a 'bullet magnet' and attracts enemy fire away from the more fragile Eldar formations, then it may well have fulfilled its function by allowing these other formations to get in position to assault / win the game. If you can play to the Warlock's strengths, it gets up close and personal to a number of enemy formations and supports other formations assaulting them. That said, I agree that the AMTL list will be challenging. The latest one fielded by Richard (containing a Warlord, three Reavers and some ThunderBolts) is very light on activations. This allows opponents to try concentrating on destroying individual Titans but at great risk to themselves. |
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| Author: | Xenocidal Maniac [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
Play a Warlock any damn which way you want. I've never managed to destroy one of those things in numerous games against them. I find them extremely frustrating to play against. |
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| Author: | Kyrt [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
Have to disagree with Legion 4, warlocks are fantastic assault units and using them to shoot is a total waste of 850 points. You sacrifice a lot to take one, so you do need to get full value out of it. That means putting it in the face of the enemy, so don't be afraid to double or march it forward in the first turn. Be prepared for it to be destroyed by the end (if you're lucky it will just lose its holofields, break and run away to hide), but make sure it does its job first. Really that means it needs to be involved in as many assaults as possible, whether supporting or initiating. If you manage to pull off a "rolling assault" you will probably win the game. For example, engage with aspects using warlock in support, consolidate, retain with warlock using aspects in support, consolidate, retain again, engage with guardians using warlock for support (1+ to activate aspects, then 1+ warlock, then 2+ guardians). There is almost nothing you won't be able to defeat in those engagements. Bear in mind it is a relatively risky strategy as losing strategy can cost you the game, but that's often true for eldar anyway and it IS very fun. Titan legion lists lack activations and have poor strategy ratings. So it should be possible to wait until the important titans have activated before rushing it forward in the first turn, and then engaging at the start of turn 2. I took a warlock to a tournament recently and it performed very well, including against two titan lists (orks and AMTL). Well enough for me to win the tournament. See the Bristol Winter Warmer thread for my reports. Admittedly BWW attracts "crazy" lists (lots of titans), but mine was also a bit crazy and the tactics are the same. |
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| Author: | kyussinchains [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
yeah Kyrt has it nailed, the warlock is built to get up close and personal, no poncing around shooting stuff if you can pull off the fabled rolling assault it's a thing to behold.... I've been on the wrong end of it and watched my army just disappear.... eldar have great AT firepower too for knocking void shields down, and even with a warlock in the list you'll likely have a good 2-3 activations more than an AMTL force, enough to save your meaty activations to get in position after he burns his own.... |
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| Author: | kyussinchains [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
pati wrote: Actually anyone knows, why does the Warlord is 2+ CC, and the Warlock is only 3+ ?? pure game balance.... also if you think about it, a warlock is more comparable to a reaver, size wise, a warlord is bigger and heavier (and probably stronger) than either the warlock or a reaver, so CC2+ is probably a decent fit The warlock titan doesn't need to be any better than it is, used right they are utter filth.... |
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| Author: | Dave [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
Mentioned above: support in a rolling assault. You need three formations and three enemy formations in relative proximity. It pretty much boils down to: Engage in FF (preferably on a formation with BMs, and in a position where you can lay another BM of a formation that you plan to engage next) Consolidate into a position to support at least one of the other assaults Engage with the second formation (preferably in a position where you can lay another BM of a formation that you plan to engage next) Consolidate into a position to support the last assault Engage Consolidate somewhere useful Using the Warlock first gets you a crap ton of support for the other two assaults, some of it TK. Using the Warlock second or third means you can to take advantage of Farsight. EA's not a game about slugging it out at range. It's about assaults and supporting fire. |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
Kyrt, kyussinchains ... amateurs ...   I started playing AT1 in '90 ... rules have changed a number of times since then. However, I like fire support ... I'd like to play you "amateurs" a give you some "school'n" !  You try to run any Titan into close combat with me ... I'll fillet you like a big tuna !!!!  Neener, Neener !  Oh I added activation back with SM in '90 ... it only took the brain trust as GW about a decade to figure that is the way to go ...  Note none of my Eldar Titans are armed with anything but ranged weapons ...   Burn, baby, burn ! 
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| Author: | kyussinchains [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
Dave wrote: ...EA's not a game about slugging it out at range. It's about assaults and supporting fire... @L4, the above quote sums it up for me, even shooty titans have their place getting up close to support engagements, he who gets the most use from his activations seldom loses the game, if your titan can move up and blast something, then be in a position to support a nearby engagement later in the turn, you get twice the utility.... back in the days of SM2/TL it was all about the shooting, and I kind of agree that cramming as many lethal ranged weapons onto your titan as possible was the best option, but E:A is pretty far removed from that.... in E:A AMTL titans are probably at their best hunkering down and blasting stuff at range, but at the rules-level warlocks are designed for assaults and engagements, they have short range weaponry, a bucketfull of attacks, a large consolidate move and benefit from the eldar triple-retain |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
Guess ... I'm just old school ...  Manuever and Fire ... And yes, Titans provide supporting fire to the other ground manuever units ... If that means you have move into close range to use your firepower, you better have significantly attrited the enemy titans with other assets, like CAS, FA, MBTs, etc. ... maybe it's just me ... However, the Pulsar with 75 cm range and MW 3+ is what I'm talking about. Let the Warlocks, Phantoms, FA, CAS attrite the enemy Titans. To support the Infantry doing the assaults supported by MBTs on other OBJs ... or units ...
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| Author: | Irisado [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
kyussinchains wrote: back in the days of SM2/TL it was all about the shooting, and I kind of agree that cramming as many lethal ranged weapons onto your titan as possible was the best option, but E:A is pretty far removed from that.... Actually, the Warlock Titan had to be played as a forward unit in SM2 as well. It didn't have the range to stand back and act as a fire platform, assuming it was armed with the Psychic Lance and Power Fist (standard equipment for the Warlock). It was well suited to spearheading assaults back then, so I'd argue that its role hasn't really changed all that much. Using the Warlock Titan in EA is all about combining it with Aspect Warriors and getting into an assault situation. It's deadly when in the thick of the action and not being exposed to an opponent's long range heavy weapons/artillery fire. |
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| Author: | pati [ Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to use a Warlock titan? |
According to this logic, the bigger is better in CC, the Imperator sholud be 1+ in CC (which is not true). The Warlock was designed to work with aspects -what if i play wiht Ulthwé os Iyanden? They don't have the chance to field an aspect based army. Usually I play with this 2 lists, so my concept is to include the Warlock in an Aspect-less army  Any opinion idea about it?
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