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3000pts LatD list - advise needed
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Author:  danielcollins [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:36 am ]
Post subject:  3000pts LatD list - advise needed
I'm only just starting out playing EA, with a few games under my belt. I want to make a LatD list which uses as little traitor stuff as possible. Unsurprisingly I am still including Hydras :)

So here is the list as it stands atm:

STIGMATUS COVEN [390] (Khorne)
Daemon Prince (Arch Heretic), 10 Mutants, Big Mutants, 7 Land Transporters, Traitor Hydra

STIGMATUS COVEN [310] (Slaanesh)
Demagogue, 11 Mutants, 6 Land Transporter, Traitor Hydra

STIGMATUS COVEN [250] (Slaanesh)
Demagogue, 11 Cultists, Traitor Hydra

STIGMATUS COVEN [250] (Tzeentch)
Demagogue, Traitor Hydra, 11 Mutants

STIGMATUS COVEN [200] (Tzeentch)
Demagogue, 11 Mutants

STIGMATUS COVEN [200] (Chaos Undivided)
Demagogue, 11 Mutants

KHORNE LORD OF BATTLES [400]
Lord of Battles

SLAANESH SCOUT TITANS [225]
Subjugator

SLAANESH DAEMON KNIGHTS [275]
4 Daemon Knights

TZEENTCH FIRELORD [150]
Firelord

TZEENTCH DOOMWINGS [150]
3 Doomwings

HELLFIRE CANNONS [200]
4 Hellfire Cannons

The main point of the list is to use a wide array of Daemon Engines so that I can find out what works well and what doesn't. I didn't include any Khorne Assault Engines as I have only heard negatives about them (ie only good in CC....and I already have enough things which are only good in CC!)
So keeping my "theme" in mind, can anyone give me advice on strengths and weaknesses of my list and any suggestions. I am happy enough to add some more traitor stuff once I work out the Daemon Engines but don't want it to dominate.
Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 3000pts LatD list - advise needed
Good starter list. If you are not going to use Daemons I'd change the Demagogue for Chaos Space Marines (mine are painted as Alpha Legion) for the ranged shot and better save/CC/FF.

The two solo Covens again should probably have some cultists in them to at least lay BM whilst garrisoning up the table. You will probably become very frustrted with the Doomwings and Firelord, I know that I am. You might consider dropping a basic Coven and Firelord to allow for the addition of two Zombie formations. These are great speed bumps and able to pick off small isolated enemy formations.
Author:  novemberrain [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 3000pts LatD list - advise needed
Doomwings are not that bad, especially in the Lost and the Damned list, but the Lord of Battles is a little fragile by itself.

I would echo always putting one or two cultist units in covens just to lay blastmarkers - i also find it difficult to get all the mutants into btb alot of the time.

In general terms i find an artillery formation near essential as the latd list is generally quite slow (though your slaaneshi formations offset this) and short ranged (although the hellfires are ok). Dropping the lord of battles and getting a basilisk formation may be an idea - leaving the khorne horde as your bts.
Author:  danielcollins [ Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3000pts LatD list - advise needed
@Rug: Yeah good point. I only have one LoB and I want to use it. Maybe I could pump up that big coven a bit to take it over 400 points.

@Tiny-Tim: I'm not going to use Daemons yet until I get the hang of the stuff I already have. I will look into the Demagogue change you suggest (it's a bit beyond my knowledge atm). I can totally see your point re the cultists. Unfortunately I don't have heaps of them, about 10 stands, so spread them around about 2 per coven? Or I can use some Guard Infantry to boost my numbers.

@novemberrain: Not really keen on artillery...but will look at it. Like I said trying to keep the list really different to Guard which I also own.

And lastly some pictures of my Firelord and Doomwings which I have just finished and am hoping will be at least half decent!

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Author:  danielcollins [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 3000pts LatD list - advise needed
Revised list. Will leave all factions as Undivided for now. Have spread some more cultists throughout the covens (traitor IG infantry stands until/if I can get some more cultists). Removed the Lord of Battle until I play a 4000 point game and replaced it with artillery :(. My overall plan is to advance quickly with the 3 transported covens, following up with the next two covens. The final coven stays at home protecting my artillery and Hellfire Cannons. The Slaanesh titan and knights can sneak around sides, screened by covens and the Tzeentch fliers....well I have no idea how to use the fliers tbh, but there's only one way to find out!

Any more ideas?

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Lost And The Damned (NetEA Army Compendium v20120208)
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STIGMATUS COVEN [390] (Chaos Undivided)
Daemon Prince (Arch Heretic), 7 Mutants, 3 Cultists, Big Mutants, 7 Land Transporter, Traitor Hydra

STIGMATUS COVEN [310] (Chaos Undivided)
Chaos Marine Aspiring Champion, 9 Mutants, 2 Cultists, 6 Land Transporter, Traitor Hydra

STIGMATUS COVEN [310] (Chaos Undivided)
Chaos Marine Aspiring Champion, 9 Mutants, 2 Cultists, 6 Land Transporter, Traitor Hydra

STIGMATUS COVEN [200] (Chaos Undivided)
Chaos Marine Aspiring Champion, 5 Mutants, 6 Cultists

STIGMATUS COVEN [200] (Chaos Undivided)
Chaos Marine Aspiring Champion, 5 Mutants, 6 Cultists

STIGMATUS COVEN [265] (Chaos Undivided)
Chaos Marine Aspiring Champion, 9 Mutants, 3 Cultists, Traitor Hydra

SLAANESH SCOUT TITANS [225]
Subjugator

SLAANESH DAEMON KNIGHTS [275]
4 Daemon Knights

TZEENTCH FIRELORD [150]
Firelord

TZEENTCH DOOMWINGS [150]
3 Doomwings

HELLFIRE CANNONS [200]
4 Hellfire Cannons

ARTILLERY BATTERY [325]
4 Basilisks

(12 activations)
Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 3000pts LatD list - advise needed
Again good solid list.

On the Coven front you need to have two Slaanesh and two Tzeentch covens so that you can take the specific slaanesh and tzeentch support choices.
Author:  danielcollins [ Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 3000pts LatD list - advise needed
yeah but what faction they belong to has no actual in-game effect, right?
Author:  danielcollins [ Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 3000pts LatD list - advise needed
ok found it has an effect on initiative
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