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| Author: | Blindhorizon [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
So i've been reading peoples opinions on this form about game mechanics and all that jazz for some time. I wanted to post an ork list to see if i get it or if not what can i do better. GHAZGKHULL MAG URUK THRAKA’S WARHORDE ORK ARMY ========================================== Ork Warband: Big, + flakkwagon, +gunwagon, +oddboy-suppagun 470pts Stormboyz Horde: 150 pts Kult of speed(due to model constraints): 6 skorchas, 2 Buggies 200 pts Kult of speed: 6 warbikes, 2 Buggies 200 pts Blitz Brigade: Big, +oddboy-suppazappa, +oddboy-suppazappa, flakkwagon, flakkwagon 350 pts Mekboy Stompamob: Big(half have combat weapons), suppastompa 3x supaguns 675 pts Fighta Squadron: 150 pts Fighta Squadron: 150 pts Gargant: 2x suppagun, suppazappa gun 650 pts Total: 2995 I think i have a well rounded force here. I don't know if i have enough air cover for everything but it should work fairly well. I have long ranged shooting, air support, manuverability, close combat potential, and TK weapons. Crit is welcome as this is my first list I've put together with all the different roles in mind. Thanks, Blind- Revision~ added gunwagon and oddboy to warband. |
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| Author: | wargame_insomniac [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
For the Warband the Big Mek upgrade applies to the Gunwagon. That means that rest of unit has range 30cm so easy for Sooper Gun to be supressed. If you take the Big Mek it might be best to have 1-2 Gunwagonz to take suppression hits. For my Evil Sunz I was advised against taking Big Mek upgrade for warband. That is because it was BTS as I did nt have a Gargant. I was also told that warband wants to engage in CC whilst Big Meks are better in shooting formations. Likewise I was advised that keeping Blitz Brigades to minimum size helps up the activation count. They do become more fragile but several minimum Blitz Brigades with Supa Zzap guns can be scary to opponent. Last Saturday I took six Zzap Brigades- they are very easy to break or even wipe out. But in the meantime at 200 points they can be scary to face. However their bark is worse than their bite. With Orks you are often doubling and so often shooting Supa Zzap Guns with a 50-50 chance of hitting. For you army you have Gargant and Stompas as more resilient formations. Hopefully they will absorb a fair bit of fire. Ideally would be best to twek the KoS but as you said restricted by model constraints. Will be interested in seeing how you get on. Thanks James |
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| Author: | Blindhorizon [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
Tweek the kos how? I read nealhunts ork post and he said pure kos are better then mix, but also add some buggies to lay bms at a distance. What do yoj think Would work best? Thx for the help, Blind |
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| Author: | wargame_insomniac [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
I like pure Warbike formations as that way only infantry models. But nealhunt know his stuff so I guess you (and I) should listen him him re placing BM's- to be honest I do mix SM Attack Bikes with SM Bikes for that very reason so I guess that same logic works well for Orks. |
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| Author: | fredmans [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
For the big warband, if you replace the Gunwagon with a regular Big Gun for your Oddboy upgrade, you can garrison on overwatch. I think this is something you should consider as the Gargant and Stompa mob will be lumbering up your rear field anyway. Or are you planning on using them as Blitz guard? I would also split the Blitz brigade to two formations, trying to get one Oddboy in each. Also, with a Super-stompa, I do not know whether 6 stompas are useful. It will be a tough enough formation with only three stompas. I usually take all guns as the chance of getting them into CC is quite low anyway. If the formation is trying to be BTS on behalf of the Gargant, I am not sure it is necessary, a Gargant is very hard to kill and therefore a good BTS. Freeing up some points would help you get another activation and maybe add a second big gun with oddboy to your Big Warband. Two Oddboys on overwatch become a lot scarier. I like the Kults of Speed. You could possibly reduce the buggies to one each as you are most likely to use them for laying BM:s in turn 1 while you are doubling ahead. Then you should be without BM:s anyway. I do not know if you own the models or not, but I would try to squeeze some Fighta-bombers or a Landa in somewhere. It is very frustrating as an Ork to not be able to threaten your enemy's artillery. /Fredmans |
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| Author: | Blindhorizon [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
fredmans wrote: For the big warband, if you replace the Gunwagon with a regular Big Gun for your Oddboy upgrade, you can garrison on overwatch. I think this is something you should consider as the Gargant and Stompa mob will be lumbering up your rear field anyway. Or are you planning on using them as Blitz guard? New to the game thought i could garrison with it still, or is it just flakwagons or not flakwagons either? Will probably drop that and add in the big gun. fredmans wrote: I would also split the Blitz brigade to two formations, trying to get one Oddboy in each. This seems like the general consensus and will be doing this, it makes perfect sense to be able to target 2 different formations. Looking at the rest of your guys messages, i'm going to try and rewrite a list with all recommended factors and see what i come up with. Thanks a bunch guys i'll post it soon for crit! Blind- |
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| Author: | Blindhorizon [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
GHAZGKHULL MAG URUK THRAKA’S WARHORDE ORK ARMY ========================================== Ork Warband: Big, + flakkwagon, +Big Gunz, +oddboy-suppagun, +Big Gunz, +oddboy-suppagun 500 pts Stormboyz Horde: + Defkopta 185 pts Kult of speed(due to model constraints): 6 skorchas, 2 Buggies 200 pts Kult of speed: 7 warbikes, 1 Buggies 200 pts Blitz Brigade: +oddboy-suppazappa, flakkwagon 200 pts Blitz Brigade: +oddboy-suppazappa, flakkwagon 200 pts Mekboy Stompamob: suppastompa 3x supaguns 500 pts Fighta Squadron: + fighta bomber 200 pts Fighta Squadron: 150 pts Gargant: 2x suppagun, suppazappa gun 650 pts Total: 2985 |
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| Author: | Tiny-Tim [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
Blindhorizon wrote: Ork Warband: Big, + flakkwagon, +Big Gunz, +oddboy-suppagun, +Big Gunz, +oddboy-suppagun 500 pts You've forgotten to add in the points for the Flakwagon (+35pts) |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
Personally I'd split the warband away from the big guns and have two separate formations. |
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| Author: | fredmans [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
Blindhorizon wrote: fredmans wrote: For the big warband, if you replace the Gunwagon with a regular Big Gun for your Oddboy upgrade, you can garrison on overwatch. I think this is something you should consider as the Gargant and Stompa mob will be lumbering up your rear field anyway. Or are you planning on using them as Blitz guard? New to the game thought i could garrison with it still, or is it just flakwagons or not flakwagons either? Will probably drop that and add in the big gun. The garrison rule states that: Formations where no more than one of the units has a move greater than 15cms can garrison, meaning that with a gunwagon and flakwagon you exceed that limit. /Fredmans |
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| Author: | Blindhorizon [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
Tiny-Tim wrote: Blindhorizon wrote: Ork Warband: Big, + flakkwagon, +Big Gunz, +oddboy-suppagun, +Big Gunz, +oddboy-suppagun 500 pts You've forgotten to add in the points for the Flakwagon (+35pts) Ha good eye! Evil and Chaos wrote: Personally I'd split the warband away from the big guns and have two separate formations. Separate them? and don't put big guns in? fredmans wrote: Blindhorizon wrote: fredmans wrote: For the big warband, if you replace the Gunwagon with a regular Big Gun for your Oddboy upgrade, you can garrison on overwatch. I think this is something you should consider as the Gargant and Stompa mob will be lumbering up your rear field anyway. Or are you planning on using them as Blitz guard? New to the game thought i could garrison with it still, or is it just flakwagons or not flakwagons either? Will probably drop that and add in the big gun. The garrison rule states that: Formations where no more than one of the units has a move greater than 15cms can garrison, meaning that with a gunwagon and flakwagon you exceed that limit. /Fredmans Awesome thanks fred I'll have an updated list soon going to change some stuff. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
Quote: Separate them? and don't put big guns in? Yeah, I find that putting Oddboyz into warbands results in the enemy putting a BM or two on the formation, instantly reducing the range of the Oddboyz down to 30cm due to suppression. So I take 1 or 2 formations of Big Gunz instead and put my Oddboyz in them, and have separate Warbands that have a separate mission. |
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| Author: | Blindhorizon [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
GHAZGKHULL MAG URUK THRAKA’S WARHORDE ORK ARMY ========================================== Ork Warband: Big, +1 boy/1 grot 375 pts Mekboy Gunzmob: +oddboy-suppazappa gun, +Nobz 210 pts Stormboyz Horde: 150 pts Kult of speed(due to model constraints): 6 skorchas, 2 Buggies 200 pts Kult of speed: 7 warbikes, 1 Buggies 200 pts Blitz Brigade: +oddboy-suppazappa, flakkwagon 200 pts Blitz Brigade: +oddboy-suppazappa, flakkwagon 200 pts Mekboy Stompamob: suppastompa 3x supaguns 500 pts Fighta Squadron: 150 pts Fighta Squadron: 150 pts Gargant: 2x suppagun, suppazappa gun 650 pts Total: 2985 |
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| Author: | Tiny-Tim [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
Yes, that list will work. |
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| Author: | fredmans [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My Thraka's 3k list please crit. |
Agreed, it's a solid list. /Fredmans |
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