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Newbie 3000 IG
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Author:  ozorik [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Newbie 3000 IG
I haven't played epic in years (not since space marines really) but I wouldn't mind starting up again.

I'm working on an IG list but its pretty open as I only have the superheavy models and 3 hellhounds at the moment (if anyone has some of the original IG infanty in an unpainted state I would probably be interested in buying them).

I am working towards:

HQ, hydra = 550
Infantry company, fire support platoon = 350
Mechanised infantry Coy, hydra, hellhounds = 600
Tank Coy, hydra = 700
Baneblade = 200
baneblade = 200
Shadowsword =200
Sentinels = 100
Sentinels = 100

How well do infantry companies fare? I am looking to do a full battalion of leg infantry eventually.
Author:  Steve54 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
Infantry companies are a good defensive formation - in cover on an obective, often on overwatch, with a hydra they are very difficult to shift.

Regarding your list its really a matter of finding what works for you, but looking at it as an opponent would it is quite low on activations - do the inf.co need the fire support (I've seen them work very effectively in mech.inf) or the mech.co the hellhounds?, and the lack of speed for grabbing objectives in turns 3+4
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
I also often play an artillery-less Guard style, based on Mech. Inf. formations and aggressive play.

I swear by my Thunderbolt fighters, incidentally, at 150pts they're a great light harassment formation.

I also try and have a Warhound Titan to hit at awkward targets.

Infantry Companies are good garrisons and defensive, on the attack they generally need support in order to do any damage as once they leave cover they tend to die in droves.
Author:  ozorik [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
So 4 infantry Coys would be a bad idea then?

I thought that 9 activations was pretty good for a guard army :)

How about if I remove the Leman russ company (they are proving elusive on ebay anyway) and add 2 warhounds (presumably these would cont as 1 formation?), a thunderbolt flight and attach some ogyrns to my leg infantry?

The hellhounds are staying as they are some of the few models I actually own at the moment :)
Author:  Mephiston [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
If you drop the Tanks you can have 2 single Warhounds and a flight of T'bolts for the 700 points, giving you 10 activations. 2 of which are fearless, void shielded 1+ activations that are worth their weight in gold to the guard.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
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So 4 infantry Coys would be a bad idea then?

If you want to go more heavily on the infantry, I'd recommend using an army list such as the Baran Siegemasters or the Death Korps of Krieg.

They have things like trenchworks and static artillery that's more suited to such a style of "infantry wave" warfare.

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I thought that 9 activations was pretty good for a guard army :)

I normally run ~10 activations in my Guard army, and do okay (win more than I lose, generally fetch up in the top third in tournies). So I reckon 9's okay. I wouldn't go below 9 though.

Also, as 2 of your activations are sentinels, your opponent might try to take you down to 7 activations pretty quickly.

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How about if I remove the Leman russ company (they are proving elusive on ebay anyway) and add 2 warhounds (presumably these would cont as 1 formation?), a thunderbolt flight and attach some ogyrns to my leg infantry?

The Warhounds are always nice. Yes they would count as 1 combined formation. Unless you buy them as two singles (But then, if you're using the net-developed list or EpicUK tournament list, you'll be charged 50pts extra for the privilige).

Thunderbolts are great.

I prefer to get Ogryns into Mech Inf. formations if I can, so that they stand a chance of reaching CC during the game.

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The hellhounds are staying as they are some of the few models I actually own at the moment :)

I sometimes run hellhounds with mech. inf. Although 25pts overpriced IMO they're not a terrible choice as they do hit hard and have the speed to keep up with the formation.




Other generic advice:

I think Stormtroopers in Valkyries are fantastic (They can Firefight well, shoot exceptionally, and are fast enough to go grabbing objectives), for Steel Legion armies.

Most Steel Legion lists try and include at least 1 artillery platoon, as it helps force the enemy to come to you (Where you can bring your (typically) greater numbers to bear).
Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
Try having a look at this link. If you click on the tournaments and then each player's army you can see their lists.

This year I have finally bowed to the inevitable and included Warhounds, Thunderbolts & Artillery in my Guard army.

4 Infantry companies are probably 1 too many for Epic GT games as you need to funnel your opponent into them for the maximum effect.
Author:  ozorik [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
I would use storm troopers but they don't seem to turn up on ebay a lot and I'm not paying £36 for them.

Would Warhounds work best solo or in pairs? As the ogryns are basically there to kill 50 points I could just as easily fit in 2 solo Warhounds.

Artillery is something that I will probably use in 4k games (manticores will probably be what I go with). For 4k I would add an armoured Coy with hydra and an artillery Bty.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
Quote:
I would use storm troopers but they don't seem to turn up on ebay a lot and I'm not paying £36 for them.

Hmmm they're actually £12 for a blister. You're comically exaggerating I guess?

If you want cheaper infantry, you can do worse than hit up Dark Realm Miniatures for IG-type miniatures, as long as you don't mind using non-GW figures.
Author:  ozorik [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
No, I would also need 2 blisters of Valkyries. I would imagine that storm troopers would need their mobility to be useful.

I'm not that big a fan of Darkrealm to be honest. Their vehicles may see some use though.
Author:  Mephiston [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
Exodus wars should be producing a very useable model for Valk's in the not to distant future.

Warhound's are best as singles IMHO, unless you want three in one army then the pair and one single are favoured by some.
Author:  fredmans [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
First of all, hi, and welcome! If I am not wrong, the Vultures come 4/blister. You could easily run them as Valks.

/Fredmans
Author:  getupandgo [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newbie 3000 IG
I can't see any reason not to take at least one long range artillery formation at 3000 points, unless you're going for a specific theme... I usually run 2 or 3 formations of them. They are arguably the best thing that guard have going for them.

In regards to warhound: they are much more resilient in pairs. You can marshal with them and keep them in the game and weathering ridiculous amounts of firepower for the 500 points... Plus they're fast, and hit fairly hard as well.

Shadowswords are another very useful choice, especially at range... I like to run a squadron with ogryn and hydra support as a deathstar formation. It's usually my BTS.

Other than that, keep it cheap. You can get 4 bare infantry companies for 1000 points, and your opponent is going to have a hard time against that much infantry dug in. You're not going to outmaneuver most folks with guard, the strength lies in it's shooting (especially at long range)...
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