Ginger wrote:
Onyx wrote:
Ginger wrote:
'inside' the Target formation
S - 6cm - TA - z
Here the scouts ZoC extends to 'z' covering the point where the Landa has dropped on top of the Target, and this mimics the position in the FAQ quoted above. I think it is this situation that you are suggesting is debatable. However, I repeat that even here, you have simultaneously entered both ZoCs which is what makes it 'illegal'.
I'm not sure I fully understand this point...
Are you stating that it is not possible to land the Landa and do an assault in this situation (by the use of the word
illegal)?
It is possible to enter the ZoC of 2 separate formations simultaneously (as described in the FAQ quote above) and still assault the nearest formation
legally.
Dropping a Landa in the middle of the target formation (ie Hydras) is fulfilling the same requirements as the FAQ and seems to be possible to me. The Landa is entering 2 formations ZoC and moving into base contact with the nearest unit.
This all seems
do-able (if that's a word
) to me...?
Yes, I am stating that IMHO, it is 'illegal' to drop the Landa onto a target formation which is covered by the scouts ZoC in the circumstances described.
The FAQ describes a situation where the Attacker does *not* in fact enter both ZoCs simultaneously which is the whole point. If it were indeed entering both ZoCs simultaneously, then the Scouts would be intermingled with the Target because of the depth of the target base/vehicle and consequently the entire lot could be charged anyway. The FAQ was actually written to explain the point that, once the Target's ZoC has been entered, the Scouts ZoC does not prevent the Attacker from moving into B-B as part of an assault.
Dropping an air assault onto the target is not actually fulfilling the circumstances in the FAQ in that it is not entering the Target ZoC before entering the Scouts ZoC.
(phew - I tend to agree with you Z )
So what happens if the Scout formation's and target formation's ZoC are entered simultaneously by a ground formation (a possible scenario which the FAQ would seem to cover) but the attacker does not want to declare an intermingled assault? By your interpretation of the FAQ, the attacker could not do the assault.
I would argue that the intent of the FAQ is that once in a ZoC (or multiple ZoC) you must always head for the nearest enemy unit regardless of formation and regardless of timing of entering ZoC.
A Landa can do this and head for the non-scout formation fulfilling the FAQ requirements.
As a tournament organiser here in Perth, I will be allowing the
Landa into multipule ZoC assault unless I hear an official responce that disallows it. Nothing mentioned here so far convinces me that the Landa into multiple ZoC is breaking the intent of the FAQ.
As for the WE/barge question, it's a non issue for me. A WE plane can barge a ground unit out of the way if the ground unit is directly underneath the plane as it touches the ground (the ground unit will be placed in direct base contact with the plane). Quite simple and easy to understand/play.
Landing can definitely constitutes a Charge move or the Orks would not be able to claim the +2 to their activation when calling a Landa assault. What else could an aircraft assault be classed as?