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Help Glyn with Ad-Mech tactics/list design?
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Author:  GlynG [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Help Glyn with Ad-Mech tactics/list design?

With Man of Kent having set an especially early deadline for the Winter Warmer I'm probably not going to be able to try playing Ad-mech before then so am going to have to guess at it, based on a combination of what looks good to try and what I have that I think I can get painted in time. Advice from more seasoned Ad-Mech players would be much appreciated!

I fancy painting up and using Ad-Mech as my first painted epic army :smile:

I do have a lot of issues with the design of the Ad-Mech list as it stands and many things I think could be done better, but I'm still formulating my thoughts on that and will debate things properly later, probably after Christmas once Siege is done. Any future changes won't be applicable here anyway as the deadline is soon so for the tourney I'll be using the list as is.

Couple of things though:

Can you really add 1-3 Gorgons with no limitation on them having to transport things? To any company too? So I could take a Skitiarii Demi-Century transported in a Gorgon and then have an extra empty one as a bullet shield at the front? Or I could have an empty bullet shield Gorgon in an Ordinatus Minoris/Majoris company or a Superheavy tank company? 75pts isn't cheap, but it's considerably cheaper than the superheavies. Are these intentional options or more errors of omission in not limiting them more?

Don't think I'd use it here but anyone considered a list build with 10 Thunderbolt formations in? You can also add 1-3 Hydras to companies rather than just 1 in the guard list, so could well move forward with a good protective coverage of your own AA to help protect the early ones from enemies own counter attacking fighters.

What units and combinations are better or worse in the list?

Comparing IG and Skitirii infantry the Skitiarii have 5+ saves and close combat values and a AP5+ shot per stand. On the downside a chimera mechanised Skitiarii company is 25pts more expensive than a mech guard company, with 15 units rather than 20. At close range AP targets the Skitiarii still get 20 shots compared to 21, but that's at a maximum range of 30cm and with less AT potential. Putting them in a Gorgon could be interesting, it's slow but much tougher and safer with 4+ Reinforced and a critical that just immobilises it.

Praetorians are pricey but good an reliable, with 3+ saves, invulnerable and fearless. MW CC weapons are nice too. How do people find them? They seem great in the right circumstances, but will be just as easy to kill with any MW barrages or large amounts of AP fire your opponent might have.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to stick with the largest titan being a Warhound in the list as Medium Walking Robots may not be done in time (though I'm tempted by the possibility it might to risk including it and possibly slop 3 colours on an old model I can then sell on if it ends up not being in time) but want to try out variant weapons fit Warhounds rather than the boringly over-used fit of EpicA. Inferno Gun plus Plasma Blastgun for 275 sounds like a good combo as does Turbo Laser plus Plasma Blastgun for 300. Paying an extra 25pts for some or all Titans to get them Leader and Commander sounds like a good idea to get rid of all blast markers if they rally. I'd have no problem giving every single Titan Veteran Princeps rather than as my Ad-Mech are going to be from Mars itself and they'd be likely to get good training.

Worth having a super-heavy as a command tank in a tank company? A shadowsword for the long range and good fire-power on the move sounds tempting and direct fire would have to choose to fire at one or the other. So long as it was deployed as far forward as possible and gradually drifted further back as the formation moved in needn't slow them down for a turn or two.

How do people find the Ordinatus? What are good weapons to fit to the Minoris? I quite fancy taking the Ordinatus Mars out for a stroll, 10BP each turn with both Ignore Cover and Disrupt sounds great, though only range 100cm and needing LOF limits it more. DC 4 makes it possible to break it just by throwing a few blast markers at it. It is quite tempting to add a Gorgon or some infantry to the formation to bulk it out some and protect it from this.

Forge Knights and the Gothic Class Cruiser any good? Think I'll likely to use these as have and like the models.

Might have written a little more and edited this better but ran out of time and posting now rather than leave it...

Author:  Man of kent [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Help Glyn with Ad-Mech tactics/list design?

Quote: (GlynG @ Nov. 18 2009, 17:03 )

With Man of Kent having set an especially early deadline for the Winter Warmer...

Hey, people knew it was there!

The reason being to allow enough time for practice games with ones army and getting used to the scenarios that will be used...it also means we can become aware of any potentially unbalancing lists beforehand.

If it's an issue for people perhaps another thread to solve it?

Author:  Vaaish [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Help Glyn with Ad-Mech tactics/list design?

I've used forge knights several times in my AMTL lists but lacking fearless they tend to die pretty quickly once broken. They can be nice from time to time though. Forge knights and a sentinel detachment make a decent 500 point chunk.

Author:  GlynG [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Help Glyn with Ad-Mech tactics/list design?

Quote: (Man of kent @ Nov. 18 2009, 21:39 )

Quote: (GlynG @ Nov. 18 2009, 17:03 )

With Man of Kent having set an especially early deadline for the Winter Warmer...

Hey, people knew it was there!

The reason being to allow enough time for practice games with ones army and getting used to the scenarios that will be used...it also means we can become aware of any potentially unbalancing lists beforehand.

If it's an issue for people perhaps another thread to solve it?

‘s ok I appreciate there are reasons for having it early to get people used to scenarios and lists. I wasn’t being critical of you or that decision there, just commenting it was the case. It’s my own fault for not having tried them out earlier and I’d have posted up asking for Ad-mech advice/tactics at some point regardless. It retrospect I really should have written a shorter and more concise post though.

Thanks for the Forge Knight comment Vaaish, I did consider using a proper Titan Legion in the tournament possibly even with an Emperor class titan, but decided to go for the AM instead.

Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Help Glyn with Ad-Mech tactics/list design?

Hi Glyn, following the same incentive as yourself I too have started looking at Ad-Mech list. This is my current prefered option (with 50pts still to place).

Skitarii Demi-Century + Hydra
Skitarii Demi-Century + Tech Lord + Hydra
Ordinartis Minoris + 3x Laser Blasters
Praetorians
Praetorians
Forge Knights
Hydras
Sentinels
Sentinels
Thunderbolts
Thunderbolts

Of course the list also allows you to have 5 Warhounds in it if you wanted.

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