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Author:  Reedar [ Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:06 am ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Hi guys,

Came on here to post my planned Ork list for OW12 and get your advice as it's my first tournament, only to see McMullet has done exactley the same thing - so apologies if you end up having to repeat anything for my benefit!

I've got the bulk of the list decided, but can't decide on the final couple of detachments - this is where you come in!

Without further ado...

Gargant
650

Stormboyz
150

Kommandos
150

Warband
+ Battlefortress
315

Fighta bommers
150

Fighta bommers
150

Warband
+ 4 Big Gunz
300

Blitz Brigade
(2 Flakwagonz, 3 Gunwagonz, 1 Zzap upgrade)
235

Blitz Brigade
(2 Flakwagonz, 3 Gunwagonz, 1 Zzap upgrade)
235


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Now, it's 2 from the following 3. Your thoughts please!

Warband
+ Battlefortress
315

Stompamob
+ 2 Dreads, 2 Kans
345

Big Blitz Brigade
(3 Flakwagonz, 5 Gunwagonz, 2 Soopa upgrades)
350



(Note if going for the extra blitz and stompas I'll re-gig the two smaller blitz' to free up the required points)

Cheers all

Reedar

Author:  Man of kent [ Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Won't comment myself yet but it looks like OW12 is the should be renamed ORK WAR 12...there's 3 of us with greenskins alone so far!

Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

I think the trend started with Britcon!

Ok, personally I find normal gargants too fragile for my all ahead tactics :)

Otherwise I use a hell of a lot more flakwagons. I would also urge you to consider a 6 strong fighter bomber squadron. They pretty much always get through and if there is a guard/deathstrike player, this could be a good thing! Still you give up an activation...

Likewise with Orks trading activations for big formations is rarely a bad choice, unless that activation is a vehicle for the special weapon.

Of your options I'm finding the big blitz with supas nigh compulsory. You can double turn one and place bms over a cluster of enemy formations and mess up their activations.

My config for blitz brigades is always 2 flak out front to take casualties, 1 zap in the middle and one gun wagon at the back to take the bm when you try and sustain.

I would question adding the big guns to the boyz mob. You cut their move down to 10cm and boyz are bst when doubling. Big gunz are best starting the game on overwatch!

With that in mind if you were going to make a few small alterations I would go with (note I'm trying to resist simply saying you should take one of my favoured Ork lists :) )

Note multiple threats are always good. So instead fo just one WE mob, 2 are probably better and if untouched can mutually support.
650 Gargant (BTS)
150 Fighta bommers
150 Fighta bommers
315 Warband + Battlefortress
315 Warband + Battlefortress
350 Big Blitz (2 x supa) Brigade
200 Blitz (zap) Brigade
200 Blitz (zap) Brigade
150 Stormboyz
150 Kommandos
200 Warband - I would swap for 7 skorcha and one buggy and get mobile FF support for your battlefortress charge!
175 Big guns + Zap
This last chap sits on an objective and garrissons on overwatch. Anyone trying to double - zap, blow away a transport while its loaded, and so on. I like to use two.
Sadly this makes you 5 points over, so you would have to make changes (drop a fighter, have a 5 strong squadron and get another flakwagon?) but its hopefully shows you a rapidly moving assault army.

The problem with it of course is the gargant can't keep up! But don't let that deter you :) (You could swap it for 2 more mobs in battlefortresses! :) )

How do you intend to use teh gargant? I like aggressive great gargants personally, can't abide hanging about on the blitz trying to sustain.

Author:  McMullet [ Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Quote: (Man of kent @ Oct. 11 2009, 15:25 )

Won't comment myself yet but it looks like OW12 is the should be renamed ORK WAR 12...there's 3 of us with greenskins alone so far!

Shouldn't that be Open Waaaagh 12? :p

As you'll find in a couple of weeks, I'm as much of an Epic noob as you'll find at a tournament so I can't lend much advice - though I do find the big blitz with 2 soopaguns to be very handy. As Chris says, that first turn zoom to put BMs on multiple units is very handy, and whilst you need 5s or more likely 6s to hit everything, a hit is a kill and 2 templates means plenty of dice to roll.

Author:  Reedar [ Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Hi guys,

Cheers for the feedback so far.

Quote: 

...personally I find normal gargants too fragile...

Ditto.  However, my first choice of dual Supa Stompa list doesn't have all the required models yet, and my Great Gargant isn't painted so the normal Gargant is kinda in there by default....!

Quote: 

...would question adding the big guns to the boyz mob...

The intention with this mob is to sit on my Blitz and protect it. I've found in the past that a small Gunz Mob is too easily pushed off it. (that and me wasting the Overwatch Zzap shot on something meaningless a mile away, despite MoK's Landa sitting off-table with "I'm going for your Blitz" pretty much written down the side...  :whistle: )

Quote: 

How do you intend to use teh gargant?

Honestly? Not sure...
In the past I've always rumbled forwards in support of a pair of Big Warbands on foot.  However as I'm going down a different route with this list I'm undecided on the big fellas use. Most likely driving forwards and forcing people to avoid or (more likely) deal with.

Back to the drawing board...




Author:  Reedar [ Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Boom - revised list!

Gargant
650

Stormboyz
150

Kommandos
150

Warband
+ Battlefortress
315

Warband
+ Battlefortress
315

Fighta bommers * 5
250

Fighta bommers
150

Gunz Mob * 8
200

Blitz Brigade
(2 Flakwagonz, 3 Gunwagonz, 1 Zzap upgrade)
235

Blitz Brigade
(2 Flakwagonz, 3 Gunwagonz, 1 Zzap upgrade)
235

Big Blitz Brigade
(3 Flakwagonz, 5 Gunwagonz, 2 Soopa upgrade)
350


Quote: 

...I would swap for 7 skorcha and one buggy and get mobile FF support...

Would do, don't have enough models painted up yet.  That's on the agenda for next years games!


Quote: 

...put BMs on multiple units is very handy...

noob-esque question - am I allowed to split fire between detachments then, or is it a case of the templates covering multiple detachments? Cheers McMullet.

Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:40 am ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Quote: (Reedar @ Oct. 11 2009, 20:36 )

Gargant
650
Fighta bommers * 5
250
Fighta bommers
150

Slight problem here, thats more than 1/3 of the army!

Quote: 

Quote: 

...put BMs on multiple units is very handy...

noob-esque question - am I allowed to split fire between detachments then, or is it a case of the templates covering multiple detachments? Cheers McMullet.


Yes it rely's on the enemy bunching stuff too close together behind terrain (or in it!) and your large combined double move and range. Remember though you can put the second template anywhere, including wrapping it around into areas you can't see.

Author:  Man of kent [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:12 am ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

BUt the second template DOES have to cover as much of the target formation as possible too; in effect both are ONE larger template that behaves a little oddly!

Author:  Morgan Vening [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:17 am ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ Oct. 12 2009, 00:40 )

Quote: (Reedar @ Oct. 11 2009, 20:36 )

Gargant
650
Fighta bommers * 5
250
Fighta bommers
150

Slight problem here, thats more than 1/3 of the army!

And the response here, is so?  :laugh:

Orks are the only army to not have a support allotment.

The following list is perfectly legal.

Great Gargant
Great Gargant
Gargant
Gargant

Or, switch out a Gargant for 13 FighterBommas in any number of groupings of 3-9.

It was something I found really weird in my initial Ork Development. All other armies had the 1/3 restriction.

Morgan Vening




Author:  Blish [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:31 am ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Quote: (Morgan Vening @ Oct. 12 2009, 05:17 )

Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ Oct. 12 2009, 00:40 )

Quote: (Reedar @ Oct. 11 2009, 20:36 )

Gargant
650
Fighta bommers * 5
250
Fighta bommers
150

Slight problem here, thats more than 1/3 of the army!

And the response here, is so?  :laugh:

Orks are the only army to not have a support allotment.

The following list is perfectly legal.

Great Gargant
Great Gargant
Gargant
Gargant

Or, switch out a Gargant for 13 FighterBommas in any number of groupings of 3-9.

It was something I found really weird in my initial Ork Development. All other armies had the 1/3 restriction.

Morgan Vening

Its been changed now under the new net ea rules. Its back to 1/3 like all the other lists.

:blues:

Author:  Man of kent [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:43 am ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Pretty sure there's always been a 1/3rd limit for orks too...
R>

EDIT: yep; there it is...p.138 of the rulebook under 'cost'.




Author:  Morgan Vening [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:48 am ]
Post subject:  Ork List - Open War XII

Well, colour me pink and call me a 'oomie.

I blame the IMO poor formatting of the initial rules on that. Rather than my ability to RTFM.

Though I do notice that the NetEA list lumps the Kroozers into that allotment (the initial restriction was Aircraft and Gargants only).

Morgan Vening

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