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FWC vs Epic:A

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:21 am 
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Quote: (Legion 4 @ 15 Oct. 2008, 19:56 )

That FWC C&C sounds better all the time ... as I said with every version of Epic, C&C didn't cut it, IMO ...

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I think you'll like it Legion, command and your ability to project it as well as effectively order your troop is what FWC is all about.

Its refreshing to have a game at this scale focus on command and its effects. While units may look "generic" the extra abilities and such give a game play effect that I believe is noticeable.

While, for the epic conversions, I plan to add some more chrome, that's mainly my personal take on GW epic units should like under this system, but there is no need to change the actual basic rules.

I think the system is robust enough to add to it without seriously breaking it.

As for comparisons with netepic or SM2/TL, in general all GW rules and their derivations, have the same basic game design where the MODEL is the focus. What it does and how IT affects the battlefield. Command, morale and coordination of units isn't really addressed in any version. Epic versions is more about if I can get unit "x" to where its stats give the highest yield.

FWC is more about if viable command and control will be available when and where you need it. Using the right unit for the job is still important, but without proper support and command your "uber-unit" may be taken out do to faulty command issues or lack of planning or foresight on your part.

Its not that this is more "fun", to some it may not appeal, but I like the tactical depth these rules offer, which is of a different nature than the options presented in traditional epic games design.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:27 am 
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Well you certainly know your way around rules, "P" ! So what you are saying is high praise ! :agree:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:32 am 
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Quote: (Legion 4 @ 15 Oct. 2008, 21:27 )

Well you certainly know your way around rules, "P" ! So what you are saying is high praise ! :agree:

Hi!

AT he very least you'll feel it was money well spent.

Enjoy!  :)

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Apreciate the comparisons and insights folks.

I have a future War commander on reserve when it hits the local store.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:30 am 
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Quote: (pixelgeek @ 15 Oct. 2008, 18:35 )

One other thing that gamers will need to drop from Epic is thinking of formations in terms of blocks of similar units.

In Epic you tend to use a formation to soften up an assault target and then assault with other troops. In FWC you can soften up the target as part of the action for the "formation" so its often better to build blocks of assault forces that have their fire support as an organic part of them

So instead of one formation of tanks you'd have those tanks as part of the formation of infantry and IFVs. The tanks shoot as the IFVs move into assault and so you get the same effect but in a more realistic fashion

This was actually one of the broken parts in Epic.
Units working combined without diffeernt orders.
It worked in FF/CC thou! That must be said.
But the idea of a group consisting of armour, flak, artillery and foot sloggers as well as specialists all given the same order just doesn't work. Or even worse, all given orders in a good working formation and some not executing them.

But!
I like knowing that -that- team is using -their- missile launcher at -that- vehicle.
Ie rolling the dice for exact effect. If I want "area effect fire" then I can just add up all fire and use a "normal distribution" die for how well it went.

Regardless...
..it will be fun to enter the battlefield with FWC and see if it lives up to giving a flowing battle!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:21 pm 
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Quote: (primarch @ 16 Oct. 2008, 04:32 )

Quote: (Legion 4 @ 15 Oct. 2008, 21:27 )

Well you certainly know your way around rules, "P" ! So what you are saying is high praise ! :agree:

Hi!

AT he very least you'll feel it was money well spent.

Enjoy!  :)

Primarch

I hear it has a lot of pictures too ! :)

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Quote: (primarch @ 16 Oct. 2008, 04:32 )

Quote: (Legion 4 @ 15 Oct. 2008, 21:27 )

Well you certainly know your way around rules, "P" ! So what you are saying is high praise ! :agree:

Hi!

AT he very least you'll feel it was money well spent.

Enjoy! �:)

Primarch

I hear it has a lot of pictures too ! :)

Hi!

Yes, many purdy pictures.... drool....  :p

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I like all them pitchers too ! :)  And it should sell well in the Rural Southern (Rebel) States too ! :laugh:

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Are there any pictures in the FWC book featuring GW Epic armies?

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Quote: (Denis @ 16 Oct. 2008, 18:29 )

Are there any pictures in the FWC book featuring GW Epic armies?

No.

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Gee ... ? :rock:  I wonder why ?! :oh:

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But the idea of a group consisting of armour, flak, artillery and foot sloggers as well as specialists all given the same order just doesn't work. Or even worse, all given orders in a good working formation and some not executing them.


But it would have been your list design that would have put them together! FWC gives you the ability to combine it doesn't say you have to.
However as the mechanism for CC is different combined arms will work better on the aasault.

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Quote: (Fredster4050 @ 17 Oct. 2008, 03:26 )

But it would have been your list design that would have put them together! FWC gives you the ability to combine it doesn't say you have to.

Indeed

If you want to do something like that you can but you'll probably not have much luck with it.

Besides, in FWC your artillery is probably off-table where it belongs.

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My copy has just been ordered from my local gaming mecca.  This could be just what the old gaming group needs to get into 6mm battles.  If it is easier to pick up than E:A I should be getting in plenty of games in the near future.  Thanks guys for the glowing reviews and tempting me to spend more money on this hobby :laugh:

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Quote: (Legion 4 @ 16 Oct. 2008, 20:13 )

Gee ... ? :rock:  I wonder why ?! :oh:

Maybe they are shy?

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