I get my devs 4 land raiders. Can I also do the rhino swap with razorbacks? What about the rhinos, do I get them if not swapped for razorbacks?

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I can't vouch for EpicUK.

In general, my gut feeling is your allowed the minimum Rhino's required to transport the formation. The formation already has sufficient transports in the Land Raiders, hence, no Rhinos.

I don't believe the EPIC-UK rules differ from the standard rules here :-
1) Buy Landraider(s) and Razorbacks as required
2) check if there are any infantry units without transport, and if there are then you get the minimum number of Rhinos to transport them.

As Jeridan says, if you get more than one Landraider, the Devs will not need any further transport as LandRaiders can hold two Marines simultaneously

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So max 4 raiders and 4 razors?

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Nope, I believe you get some Land Raiders and then check if further transport is needed. Assuming you do need more transport, you can then buy some Razorbacks. Need more transport? Get Rhinos.

Put another way, the Landraiders are a 'transport' option.

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Epic-UK hasn't changed the transport rule.

This FAQ in the 2008 doc clears this up

Q: Does the Land Raider upgrade
available to the Devastator formation
replace that formation’s Rhinos? And if
so how do you add Razorbacks to the
formation if they do?
A: A Devastator formation can be given up
to four Land Raiders. However, including
Land Raiders in this way will mean that the
number of free Rhinos the formation will
receive will be reduced to the minimum
number needed to carry any Devastator
stands that can’t fit inside the LRs. Then,
once the number of Rhino’s needed for the
formation is known, you may replace each
remaining Rhino with 1-2 Razorbacks.
To summarise:
1. Add any LRs to the formation.
2. Add enough Rhinos to carry any
Devastators that won’t fit into the
LRs.
3. Convert any Rhinos to Razorbacks.

Aren't that two separate things?
Or in actuality bad wording of the whole thing.
It stands one thing for Land Raiders and another for Razorbacks and then almost nothing in the initial text about transports.

Correct text would be something like:
Transports: first add as many LR as wanted, not more than needed; then add as many RB's as wanted, not more than still needed; last add as many Rhino's as wanted and needed to make all units transported.
That's to cover for those that doesn't understand to add as appropriate without excessive rules...
Others could probably use:
Transport: the formation use a mix of LR's, RB's and Rhino's to carry them all without any excess vehicles.

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Erik, Razorbacks can only replace Rhinos. So you have to determine how many *free* Rhinos your formation gets from the SM transport rule before determining how many Razorbacks you can buy.

The FAQ is badly worded. There should be a step 4:

4) Remove any surplus Rhinos not required to transport the formation

And potentially as the FAQ is written, if you get the Rhinos first and then convert them to Razorbacks it would leave the Devastators with insufficient transport. This is why I believe getting the Rhinos is the last step in the process.

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So tank devs are effectively 3 razors, 1 rhino (325), 1 Raider, 1 Razor, 1 rhino (350), or 4 raiders (550). Hmm. Or of course the imprbable 4 lr, 2 vindies, 1 hunter (725!)

I'm currently trying to work out a list based on Raiders and vindicators to try and swamp the opposition with tanks. Or hell even a Land Raider force as I'v so many! (Hmm, 6 formations for 2100, plus an SC, thunderbolts and a reaver, hope I don't meet infantry, or 6 formations, 4 lots of scouts, 2 lots of thunderbolts, or loads of devs with raiders perhaps supported by assault marines slowed down with vindicators?)

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Yeah, the EpicUK lists seems to actually allow the taking of 4 razorbacks and 4 land raiders, where it states in the upgrades for every two razorbacks added remove one rhino. Then you could take LR as the next upgrade.

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Strictly speaking its the 2008 FAQ wording that could be misinterpreted that way, the addition of razorbacks replace rhinos has no bearing on the situation especially as the space marine transport rule in the core rule book has the wording - the formation includes enough rhinos to transport it and any upgrades taken.

It seems fairly clear you work out how many rhinos you get after you add landraiders or any other upgrades for that matter.

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Oh everyone knows thats the intent and even I wouldn't try and bring such a formation

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Come on guy's,I can understand someone being unsure from the army list how things work.
Although once shown the FAQ and summary if anyone's not capable of working out how the upgrades work then they would more than likely not be allowed glue,paint,small moldels or sharp knifes just incase they hurt themselves      .
To summarise:
1. Add any LRs to the formation.
2. Add enough Rhinos to carry any
Devastators that won’t fit into the
LRs.
3. Convert any Rhinos to Razorbacks.