I kept the 4 players reserved per team as anything else would be disruptive. It was later in my post that was interesting as I was suggesting a more flexible approach that I think would make the event more successful.

I meant to also add that after end of June tickets go on 'general sale'.

I have to withdraw my interest in attending as I can't hang around until as long as possibly mid-August to find out whether places are available. I need to book leave, have competing priorities for my time, would have needed to plan a longer trip bringing my better half with me, and also wanted to book accommodation and flights early to get them cheaper. It is not practical to do all these things late in the day so I am going to focus on going to the UK Epic GT (in November I think) instead.

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Well I think I got Brumbaer a bit wrong. From his last post it sounds like we could make mixed/regional teams allready. (Am I wrong Brumbaer?)

So maybe there's a team for you. Were do you live?

I'm from the UK. The UK team has been fairly chosen and I am quite rightly not in their top four players. There is a great tournament scene in the UK so I'll just focus on those instead.

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Borka your right., but I understand the problem of planning ahead, especially considering travel arrangements.

As I said before we can accommodate 8 teams.

We have now 3 nation teams. That's 5 places left.

I see a potential of 3 further national teams. France, Austria and Hungary. I know the Austrains and Hungarians might not be able to form a team each - but just let's assume. I'll inquire the current status of the "potentials" asap.

In the best or worst case, depending on your viewpoint, there will be space for at least 2 regional teams.

The main problem is that I do not have any information who is interested. I.e. only Ginger posted up to now in the Player/Team-Search thread. So am I to assume nobody else is interested ? Hopefully not

Taking the above into account and trying to give players more security on their planning,
I'm happy to change deadlines and procedure (see below)

But for that making sense I must know who is interested and who is willing to commit himself.
This is not something I can do on my own, I can inquire about the "potentials", but I can't enter anybody into the Player/Team-Search Thread.
If you're interested or willing to commit please post in the Player/Team-Search Thread.
Please do not wait for the thread to fill before you post or Ginger will be very lonely over there.
There will be people who will be burning to take part (hopefully) and be willing to commit themselves no matter what and some who are "only" interested. Please mention in the thread which group you belong to commit/interest, nationality and if you want the army or armies you would like to play. Latter would help us when forming teams.

!!!! Important !!!! Important !!!! Important !!!! Important !!!! Important !!!! Important !!!! Important !!!!
If you commit yourself , please attend. Do not let the other players of your team down.
So if you're unsure make clear that you're "only" interested. Commit yourself only if you mean it.

The new procedure would be
Every 4 players committing themselves will form a temporary team.
Those temporary teams will be taken in, so the players can be sure to take part in the tournament and arrange travel and accommodation.
At the beginning a maximum of 2 temporary teams can enter, as soon as I know how many slots will be taken by the "potentials" the remaining slots will be made available for temporary teams.
Obviously temporary teams will not be regional by default.
For that reason End of July (31th) or earlier if all slots are taken the players of the temporary teams will be grouped into the final regional teams. If there are some players from the same region which want to be in the same team this will be accounted for.

This procedure will allow players to enter early on and give them security for bookings and still form regional instead of random teams and the final teams will still have more than one and a half month to discuss armies and arrange themselves.

English is not my native language. If anything is unclear or ambiguous please ask before problems arise.

Afterthought.
I see the potential problem that the first 32 players committing themselves would be all Germans, and than after three days players from other nations post, being left out.

Is this something that
- has to be addressed
- will not happen anyway
- is a good example of Life punishes those who delay.

Please give me your insights

Regarding the way that the games are setup, if there are extra UK players (or even a second UK team) is there any way that we can avoid playing the other UK players?

To me, the whole point of this event is to play all the games against other European people if at all possible. Spending a fairly significant sum of money just to play people I know seems a bit of a waste - if it can be avoided.

Assuming you were the only UK player in a non UK team and there are 6 teams, you would play against a UK player once.

If there are less than 6 teams, you will play against a UK player once probably twice.
If there are more than 6 teams you will play against a UK player not at all or once.

If you're not the only UK player in a non UK team, the chances are high that you would be in the same team, so no change from the above.

If there are UK players in any other non UK team (i.e there are 5 UK players in addition to the national team), you might be drawn against him. I could try to avoid this situation, but I can't really predict how likely a constellation would be in which the playing against one of the other "UK freelancers" can't be avoided.

If you are the fifth freelancer - you would have at least 2 games against UK players if there are 6 or less teams.

But I can't say how likely it is that there will be 5 additional UK players including you.

I want to play but the German team is full. So... Middle-European-Team assemble?

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Largo,
Would you please post in the player/team thread. stating commitment or interest and nationality. Your Avatar says Germany, but that could be your location but not your nationality.

I cannot speak for others, but this arrangement is a big problem for me. We will only play 5 games at the maximum, and this approach means that spare players from *any* country would play at least one game and possibly two games against someone they know. We can already play these games without the additional costs of coming to this event.

This has already persuaded at least one extra UK person to withdraw and may be preventing others from joining in . . . .

While I appreciate the effort, and understand the thought behind the "team" system, doing things on a person by person basis would allow you arrange games while preventing people from the same country being matched against each other. The team scores can still be calculated and everything else would still be as you have it.

Since you are already intending to match up teams (and hence individual games) beforehand, there is little difference from a game perspective. However, this would make the event much more attractive and I am sure you would get more people playing as a result.

Please reconsider the proposed mechanism, which I consider far from satisfactory in this respect - after all, this is intended to be a 'European' event, not an extension of tournaments or games between friends.

At UK events, we almost always try to avoid pitting clubmates or regular opponents against each other if possible.... surely a little flexibility to avoid same-country matchups, or at least between people who play regularly together could be implemented? it's only a very slight shuffle to the draw in most cases....

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Form an EU team!

Also, I really don't see the issue of playing maybe-one game out of 6 against someone from the same country as ones self; I sometimes have to play Dave or Steve or Simon at a tournament as well and I manage to avoid some massive existential crisis whilst doing so.

Mike, that is a minimum of 1 game out of 5, and with less than 6 teams, likely to be 2 games. And don't forget, that means the unlucky player on the UK team will also be playing a 'UK' person. The same applies to Largo, who will inevitably be playing German people that he probably knows.

This has already discouraged one UK person from coming, and may well discourage others.

It is possible to set up the event beforehand such that no-one plays anyone from their country, making this a truly European experience, which I thought / hoped was the intention. Is this too much to ask for?