You could go with the style that the Club Challenge (I think) uses for the core games.

Army lists are submitted a few weeks in advance and are checked by the arbitrators; If they're mix-max silliness then they're rejected and the player is asked to write a new list.


Let's not start up again.

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I'd prefer to keep my exact list from general viewing till the tournament (because I think it's more interesting to have it a surprise and not know what you'll be coming up against till the day, not because I intend to sneak in any overpowered combination or anything).

So far out of the options suggested I think I like MoK's initial suggestion best of rating your opponent's army's fairness/balance each game, along some kind of brief laid out guidelines or scale and perhaps keeping this a separate score from Sportsmanship - you could hypothetically have a great friendly opponent with a nightmare of an army to play afterall or visa versa.

Will we be having painting scores and/or a best army prize?

Could you tentatively put me down for two spaces at the moment MoK incase we run out? I'll let you know by the end of the summer if my friend might want to come or not, so there'd be plenty of time to find someone else if he doesn't want to.

He's not that sporting if you think his list is WAAC cheesy.

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This is definately the best idea for eliminating annoying lists to achieve the "friendly tournament" environment you're after.

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Indeed, if you set the date for the lists two weeks ahead of the event, then they could be posted here for comments / corrections up to the event.

I might add that this would only formalise something that has already been happening in many of the UK events.

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I don't think lists would have to be pre-submitted for *general* viewing, but just to the event organizer and a small cadre of Commissars to check for "purity"...  

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That I'm completely fine with, I was just hoping to keep it from general viewing by everyone there till the day, possibly my previous was less clear than it could have been if people misinterpreted that.

Silly and fascist comparisons seem a little harsh, scoring your opponents army could work fine and it was the option I preferred too, but we're just discussing a range of possible options which MoK could go for, most of which I have already seen used in one tournament or another (I've not been to epic tournaments but I have been to tournaments for other systems), any could work fine and really the final choice is only a minor concern in the scheme of things.

I don't care if someone else does, any one who just picked the rule book up and has no prior knowledge of W40k wouldn't see a problem with it. It seems a bit harsh to then dock them points.

The only UK tournament that didn't require lists in advance was Open War, and they changed that this time out.

Every tournament requires lists to be submitted and are checked by the the tournament ref for legality. I think he would probably have a word if some on did try to enter the old 15 thunderhawk style list!

Here are the 4 questions that currently go towards sportsmanship awards from the Epic-UK rule pack.

1. Would you play your opponent again?
2. Were ALL rules disputes agreed in an amicable way? (If there were no rules disputes,
then please answer YES to this question)
3. Was the pace of the game satisfactory to you? (Don’t forget that game pace can be too
fast and too slow)
4. Did you enjoy playing your opponent’s army?

So if you think your opponents army is pure cheddar answer to no 4 is Hell No!

Looks like someone has thought it all out already!

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I am satisfied with the current system- apart from the fact I can't just say "Matt, my personal details are exactly the same as they have been for the previous 20 tournaments! I havnt changed my name and you have my number in your mobile and evidently you don't need my email!" when I enter!

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Agreed.  In fact i think the sportsmanship scoring system does cover this kind of thing fairly well anyway; instead of docking people points for bad behaviour one rewards them for good.  
I'm sure it's more than clear what sort of tournament we're looking for here and that people understand it.
Perhaps we COULD introduce another prize catergory chosen by a players vote? 'Fluffiest/Fairest Army'; or as i've been calling it so far: The Moral High Ground! :-)

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