Actually, IMO this has less of an effect in the Eldar lists due to the potential for BMs and potential need to retain. And given the weakness of Falcon armour, to misquote Napoleon "If you want to prevent your Aspects from fighting, embarrass them with Falcons".

Titans with magnetic arms you say? do put a link up once they're on there

Oh cool, I'll not bother starting then Was about to start thinking of how to code the new EoV formations so that's saved me a bit of work

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It might make take them from being cheaper, to being the same price.
Certainly not more expensive.

EDIT: Rug says it more comprehensively above.

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I thought it was my job now.....maybe I should wait until I'm asked in future....

I mostly did it to get a head start, I hope the chaos lists will be checked and finalised soon, I don't want chaos, DE, eldar and AMTL all piling up on me really.....

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Just a quick post on Falcons.

Falcons were previously in Sworwind and then the last EpicUK codex at 65pts each.

The change in the current codex is purely cosmetic in that you can now only purchase Falcons as a transport option at a cost of 2 for effectively 125pts (once the cost of the Wave Serpent is factored in).

This is only to remove the singe non 25pts upgrade option from the Eldar lists - No other reason.

Yes Falcons as an upgrade to Aspects are crap, you would be silly to take them and that has always been the case.

Maybe we could have juggled prices and made them a viable option - but we didn't and in fact just removing as an option entirely would be by far the more likely route.

However now if you really really want to transport your aspects around in Falcons (alert - not a good idea) at least you don't have to worry about having 15pts left over here or there from the odd 65pts price tag.

I think that's fair enough really.

On Eldar changes one of the ones i think that most people can probably agree with is putting Void Spinners up to 275pts. Not that it's going to stop every Biel Tan player still taking 2 of them mind you, similar to Guard and Marine players with their Warhounds.

I think the Falcon change is pretty pointless, let's face it the upgrade is no more or less useless than it was.

I disagree partly with Ginger on the Cobra, it needed something, and I for one -had- floated the idea that getting rid of the template was the only way to actually address the main problem with the Cobra (i.e. its to-hit roll). Yes that gives up the notion of the damage being proportional to the titan's size, but I don't see why that is an absolute requirement from the fluff. That said, I think it would have been better to give it D3+2 damage or similar.

I don't really see the point of the BP3 non-macro firing option. Is that to keep it moderately capable of killing mass infantry? i.e. a bit more useful.

All told though, I already had plans to experiment with them again (see my want thread - if you have new style ones I want them!). The update makes them more viable IMO.


To be honest I think the exarch wording is a bit clunky now, with so many different options now you might as well split them up.

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Thanks for this clarification - and I think we all agree Falcons are a poor choice for transport.

Perhaps someone can give a similar explanation for the changes to the Engines of Vaul. In principle, I agree the reduced upgrade cost seams a good idea, but the changes to the Void Spinner seem excessive. Putting the Void Spinner into a separate entry is a logical answer, although players should still be allowed to buy multiples at 250 each.

BTW if falcon upgrades were 50 points I think I might actually take them... they'd be fun with dark reapers just for the fun of rolling the dice. For 700 points they might just be viable too - with fire dragons, even on a double you should be able to take out an untouched warhound. On an advance you will seriously damage a reaver, maybe even kill it. Then there's the possibility to retain and engage with, well, pretty much anything. You could probably take out a warlord that way.

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Yeah how come you can't take multiple void spinners in the same formation any more?

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Looking back over previous army lists used at an EpicUK tournament - no one ever seems to have used multiple Void Spinners in the same formation. So maybe the correct question is why can't I do it next time I come to an EpicUK tournament.

Main reason is to simplify and because 1 Void Spinner is definately worth 275pts but then working out how much multiples are worth is tricky and requires more work than is really worth it for a tournament list.

Well, the point of the TK template weapon is that it makes the Cobra a potent titan killer, but relatively poor against other targets. This is *the* differentiator from other EoV. The new stats remove this capability, and increasing to BP3 with ignore cover actually makes it much better against infantry, which was the main objection to the original weapon stats.

In principle the short range of its main weapon means that Cobra has to double into position for a poor shot at the end of the turn, and then hope to win the Strategy roll off to fire again at the start of the next turn. This on top of building an army with high activations to allow the Cobra to be able to perform this tactic in the first place.

Now, the Cobra is no longer the potent threat against the larger titans, whilst other formations are much better choices for MW or Template weapons against other targets.