What are the local terrain rules for the tournament? - do they block LoS for titans etc.

Also is it possible to see a normal local table?

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Come over and have a look Seriously so, I have no picture available. I'll try to make some on next week's club night.

We will only use woods, hills, ruins and buildings and probably a road or two.
Terrain is played by "base". If something has no base, the object itself is the base.
Regardless of models all of the base is considered of the same terrain type. Should there be a terrain mix (i.e. a base with buildings and a street between them) the "heavier" terrain counts. If there should be an exception to the rule, there will be a note at the table i.e. the road between those buildings it to be treated as a road despite sharing a base with the building.
Wood, hills, ruins and buildings block line of sight. They are also higher than titans, only skimmer can shoot over such terrain using the respective rules.

I believe there are a number of others in UK an Germany who are interested, but there seems to be little news or communication about them, other than the view that they will end up playing people they know which is a significant turn off. However perhaps things will pick up next year.

Hi!

One of the swedish teammates will come by car (lives in the south) he wanted me to ask if there are any good carparking possibilities at the venue?

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I must say, if somebody is put off by playing 1 out of 5 games against a player he might play in his home country, which doesn't even mean that hey played against him in the last 6 month or at all, so be it.
By the way he might even play against somebody from a foreign country, he already has played against.

The following is not EEC related:
While I understand that playing against members of the same club at a tournament is not really satisfactory, I think it is necessary for a fair "singles swiss tournament".
I agree it's not worth to bother about it on the bottom half of the list, but it matters on the top half.
If you are a good player from the same club as the best player, you will end further up the list, because he never will kick you down the list. Opponents who may be better than you, will be kicked down the list by him and depending on the number of participants, you will not have to play (some of) them either as the are suddenly further down the list. Even worse one poor guy might have to play him as replacement for him - and his chances for a top three place will be much lower because of it.
Just imagine what a club with 4 good players will do to the "fair chances approach".
We counter this by removing the Club restriction for the last two games, which is not ideal as all compromises.

That's no problem, plenty of parking space on weekends.

Well, if there are 6 teams or less, the current approach makes it possible there will be 2 games out of 5 against players from their own country.

Anyhow, the 'combined teams' idea does not seem to have taken off - people need confirmation that they are part of a team and will be able to play before they book air tickets and hotels etc. However that does not seem to have occurred.

And anyway, this is the first time that anything like this has been attempted, future events will perhaps overcome small issues like this.

That seems to be a Catch22.
Players do not apply, because they are not acknowledged, but how shall I acknowledge them, if they do not apply.

If today one player applies and tomorrow an other and the day after two further players, I will acknowledge them as a temporary team, regardless of the place of origin and wether they know each other.
Temporary means only that it's not decided yet which team they will part off, but the will definitely get a place in one of the teams.
But obviously only if they apply, if they wait for somebody else to apply first, nothing will happen.

Just for the record, I wouldn't be bothered about the potential to play a minority of games against someone from the same country. And 2/5 is still an unlikely occurrence anyway. To be bothered enough by this to drive one to not attend seems odd.

However may I make a suggestion: don't spend any more time explaining the team matching system. Just open it up like a regular tournament, anyone can join it's just you need 4 people to join before you can confirm and give them a ticket. I think that is what people are not sure about, ie why they can't just buy a ticket and know straight away they can attend.

Also bear in mind what you will do if (when?) somebody does not turn up on the day or drops out.

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You could give them the option of how they enter into a team. If they want to source a team, they can do that. Even if it is only part of a team, and you provide the last member or two.

Alternatively people can join preexisting teams. These teams already exist, but don't have a full membership. It's up to you if they get a choice out of which team they are joining, or if you just fill each team as you go(you can always change people around later if there is an issue of them playing their friends too much).

I just wanted to let you know that as far as I know there is hardly anyone (if there is anyone) playing Epic in the Czech Republic. I got back into it recently and when I asked around everyone said that people only really play warhammer and 40k. Those games get about 35 players at a tournament. I have not seen any other table top war games played by anyone in the Czech Republic, except a friend who sometimes will let me play other games against him.

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Well, I look at this event primarily as a means to meet and play against people from other countries (my luck with dice precludes any hope of winning prizes etc ). The "team v team" approach greatly diminishes this pleasure of meeting new faces, a view shared by a few others who would otherwise have come along AFAIK.

As for the French, Hungarian (and any other teams), obviously each team needs to confirm their numbers before they can book tickets etc. I agree with Kyrt here, and suggest that each team that is looking for players post a note in the other thread ** now ** so that additional people like Bertnernie can join them. Otherwise the event will be reduced to only three teams.

I have no answer to Kyrt's question about people being forced to drop out, other than to suggest the affected team does the same thing.

Ginger, I'll not be able to make it. Didn't mean to give that impression. But it's a good suggestion. People should go there now.

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I guess I'm an optimist and figure the chance of playing someone from another country is vastly larger by going to the tournament than it is staying at home. Infinitely larger in fact!

But seriously, to each their own of course.

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Thinking about it, it's rather difficult to show a "normal local table".


This is probably the least amount of terrain you can expect. The tables will differ, by the person's who sets this table up preferences, among others how well he slept and by what's left in grandma's terrain basket.

As of yesterday, we're still adding.

It's a national (German) treat that at some point of the discussion somebody stands up and tries to cut through all the noise, stopping to consider all the sensitivities. With Germans this usually leads to a round of plain talk which more quickly leads to a solution or understanding. This understanding might just be that the participants understand that they don't understand each other, but the positions are made clear and which positions are fixed and where it's possible to compromise and it usually puts an end to endless, repetitive discussions. This might of course start new discussions, but with an better understanding of the goals and the room for compromise.
Other nationalities find this way of communication arrogant, offensive, assuming, curt and I do not what, but do not see it as way to come to the point.
So please realize this is just a way to (hopefully) make my point of view clear and is neither meant to be disrespectful nor anything of the above.
Ok, time for the "ugly German plain talk".

There is an "idea" behind that tournament, the idea is a European team tournament, that travels through Europe and it's not to be Epic UK international, but some unique thing where organizers have enough freedom to use the Epic Ecosystem of their group, country or liking and that will not suffer from the meta game in the ways the ETC does (I'm sure others see it as a viable part, but I do not).

If I would have wanted an open registration for single players in contrast to groups of four, I'd supposed an singles tournament. But it's a team event and so I will not. And I will not take the responsibility to fill up "half formed" teams (in the sense they were acknowledged as a team of 2) on the day or do army lists or provide miniatures and so on. The players in the Epic community are relatively mature (as far as this can be said for people playing with toy soldiers) they should be able to get their act together.

Having "real" teams with an team captain, has many advantages, namely that I can expect a full team to show up. I doubt anybody will just not appear on the day, if he is part of a team to which members he is known to. When he can't make it, he will announce it before and the team can find an replacement or talk to the organizer to find one - before the tournament.

Also the teams build the nucleus of organizers for the follow up tournament.

I'm happy to listen to proposals or listen to potential problems and try to find a solution, but I will not go so far out of the way that I sacrifice the idea.
I'm (and others of course are) investing time and money and nerves, in a sense put my reputation at stake, call in favors and ask for some new to get it working. I'm doing it to establish this kind of tournament not for personal gain.
I'm happy to risk that the tournament will not be an success and hope that if so the next one will be a success. Or if there is no demand for a tournament with that philosophy, somebody else might make the necessary ideologic changes or try a Singles - Epic UK - Event with European advertisement.

This tournament also asks more from the players, because it is not as easily accessible and cheap to attend as a tournament in the neighborhood.
If somebody is not intrigued by the idea from the start and does not think "that's one tournament I must attend", he's most likely not a customer anyway.
If he'd really be interested and not part of a team yet, he'd just put his name on the list. Tournament wise what can happen ?
It's a blxxdy tournament, 5 games using established rules, and if you win them all highly, you will win the tournament.
And if playing somebody of his country at the tournament or playing mirror lists or using the NetEA army lists or not using the EpicUK scoring system or whatever is an issue for him, than I can accept it, but than this tournament is not for him. I can not accommodate all.

If you do not buy a Ferrari, because you will not get an trailer hitch for it, you weren't really in for a Ferrari anyway. Sadly this tournament is not as desirable as a Ferrari, but the principle is the same.

So if anybody wants to attend, post in the other thread http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=27699.
If you're only concern is not getting acknowledged soon enough, than post immediately, because that's the only way to a fast acknowledge.