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Author:  mordoten [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:21 am ]
Post subject:  LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
So, summer is over here in Sweden and the record heat has gone away. Also my kids are back i nschool so i have the days to myself again (i work evenings and weekends only).
Me and Norto decided to pick up where we left off and do another battle report! This time we're trying out the LatD Redux list that we're both interested in. We've found some potentially OP builds that we would like to test.

My list, good ol Steel Legion:

Meet for the grinder, 3000 POINTS
Steel Legion (NetEA Army Compendium v2014)
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REGIMENTAL HQ [550]
Supreme Commander, 12 Infantry, 7 Chimera, Hydra

MECHANISED INFANTRY COMPANY [450]
Commander, 12 Infantry, 7 Chimera, Hydra

TANK COMPANY [700]
10 Leman Russ, Hydra

SENTINEL SQUADRON [100]
4 Sentinels

DEATHSTRIKE MISSILE BATTERY [200]
2 Deathstrike Missile Launchers

SUPER-HEAVY TANK PLATOON [200]
Shadowsword

SUPER-HEAVY TANK PLATOON [200]
Shadowsword

FLAK BATTERY [150]
3 Hydra

FLAK BATTERY [150]
3 Hydra

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [150]
2 Thunderbolts

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [150]
2 Thunderbolts

Nortos list:

Perverted Pain, 3000 POINTS
Lost And The Damned - Redux (0.3 - Experimental)
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COVEN [360]
Daemonic Pact, 11 Cultists, Daemon Prince (Arch Heretic), 6 Land Transporter, (Tzeentch), Technical

COVEN [310]
Daemonic Pact, 11 Cultists, 6 Land Transporter, Technical, (Slaanesh), Chaos Marine Aspiring Champion

COVEN [310]
Daemonic Pact, 11 Cultists, 6 Land Transporter, Technical, (Slaanesh), Chaos Marine Aspiring Champion

COVEN [310]
Daemonic Pact, 11 Cultists, 6 Land Transporter, Technical, (Slaanesh), Chaos Marine Aspiring Champion

SLAANESH SCOUT TITANS [225]
Subjugator

SLAANESH SCOUT TITANS [225]
Subjugator

SLAANESH SCOUT TITANS [225]
Subjugator

SLAANESH SCOUT TITANS [225]
Subjugator

SLAANESH SCOUT TITANS [225]
Subjugator

SLAANESH SCOUT TITANS [225]
Subjugator

TZEENTCH DOOMWINGS [150]
3 Doomwings

TZEENTCH DOOMWINGS [150]
3 Doomwings

DAEMON POOL [60]
4 Lesser Daemon

This many Subjugators seems really, really good. Lots of long reaching battle cannon shots and really nasty CC-attacks also combined with 35cm move and titan-shields...

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Author:  mordoten [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
Turn 1: SL wins initiative, hands it to LatD.

LatD1.1: Subjugator advances and fires on hydras for 1BM.
LatD1.2: Subjugator retains and advances and fires on poorly placed deathstrikes killing 1 and breaks the formation.
SL1.1: Thunderbolts ground atatck Subjugator stripping 1 shield (1BM).
LatD1.3: Subjugator advances and fires on hydras for 1BM.
SL1.2: Hydras marshalls and moves behind building.
LatD1.4: Subjugator doubles and fires on Mechanized Co for 1BM.
SL1.3: Hydras double and fires on Subjugator for 1BM.
LatD1.5: Subjugator doubles and fires o Mech Co killing 1 chimera (2BM).
SL1.4: Thunderbolts ground attacks Subjugator stripping 1 shield (1BM).
LatD1.6: Coven doubles and fires on hydras for 1BM.
SL1.5: Tank Co advances and fires on Subjugator with 1 shield, stripping the last shield and doing 1DC, breaking it.
LatD1.7: Coven doubles and fires on hydras for 1BM (haha, they just ont die!).
SL1.6: Reg HQ doubles forward and fires on coven killing 3 stands and 2 transports (6BM).
LatD1.8: Doomwings intercept thunderbolts for 1BM.
SL1.7: Mech Co doubles forward.
LatD1.9: Doomwings intercept thunderbolts killing 1 of them (2BM).
SL1.8: Sentinels doubles and fires on coven killing 2 transports (3BM).
LatD1.10: Coven doubles with the help of the SC and fires on hydras killing 1 and breaking them.
SL1.9: Shadowsword advances and fires on Subjugator doing 2DC and breaking it.
LatD1.11: BTS-Coven marches next to Tank Co (balsy move).
SL1.11: Shadowsword advances and fires on Subjugator for 1BM.
LatD1.12: Subjugator doubles and fires on Mech Co killing 1 chimera (4BM).

END PHASE:

Deathstrikes ralliies
Hydra rallies.
Subjugator rallies.

Wow, that was some lackluster shooting for the LatD! Not many battlecannons hit their mark from the Subjugators.

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Author:  mordoten [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
Turn 2: Steel Legion wins initiative.

SL2.1: Mech Co doubles forward next to coven (with the help of the SC) and fires on them killing 1 stand and 1 transport (3BM).
SL2.2: Tank Co retains and sustains on BTS-Coven killing everthing except the Demon prince, aa technical and 1 transport breaking the formation (ouch!).
LatD2.1: Coven engages sentinels killing 2 of them for the loss of 1 stand and wins the combat.
LatD2.2: Subjugator retains with the help of the SC, doubles and fires on the lone deathstrike breaking it.
SL2.3: Tthunderbolts stand down.
LatD2.3: Subjugator holds and fires on Shadowsword for 1BM.
SL2.4: Reg HQ sustains on Coven in front of it killing 3 transports, 1 technical and 6 stands breaking the formation (ouch!).
LatD2.4: Subjugator holds and fires on Tank Co for 1BM.
SL2.5: Shadowsword sustains on Subjugator stripping 2 shelds, breaking it.
LatD2.5: Subjugator engages tan co killing 1 hydra and 2 tanks for the loss of 1DC. The Tank co wins the combat by 1.
SL2.6: Thunderbolts ground attacks Subjugator near SL Blitz stripping 2 shields (1BM).
LatD2.6: Coven summons 5 demons and engages Mech co in front of them. The cultist narrowly wins the combat.
SL2.7: Sshhadowsword advances and f objugator doing 2DC and breaking it.
LatD2.7: Subjugator holds and moves.
LatD2.8: Doomwings ground attacks broken Mech Co and kills 3.
LatD2.9: Doomwings ground atatcks broken Mech Co and kills 1.

END PHASE:

Deathstrike rallies.
Subjugator rallies.
Hydras rallies.
Subjugator rallies.
Sentinels fails to rally.
Mech Co fails to rally.
Subjugator rallies.
BTS-Coven fails to rally
Coven fails to rally.

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Author:  Nitpick [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
Great stuff! How did it end?
Author:  mordoten [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
Turn 3: LatD wins initiative

LatD3.1: coven holds, even with the help of the SC and moves a little.
SL3.1: Deathstrike sustains on Subjugator killing it.
SL3.2: Reg HQ retains and doubles to claim both T&H objectives. Fires on coven killing 3 stands (4BM).
LatD3.2: Doomwings ground attacks broken mech Co wiping it out.
SL3.3: Hydras holds and regroups.
LatD3.3: Doomwings ground attacks broken sentinels wiping them out.
SL3.4: Thunderbolts ground attacks broken BTS-Coven killing off a transport and the technical leaving the demon prince all alone.
LatD3.4: Coven Marshalls and moves.
SL3.5: Thunderbolts ground atatcks broken demon prince for no damage.
LatD3.5: Coven Marshalls and moves.
SL3.6: Hydras marshalls and moves.
LatD3.7: Subjugator holds and regroups.
SL3.7: Shadowsword advances and fires on Subjugator killing it.
LatD3.8: Subjugator doubles and fires on Reg HQ for 1BM.
SL3.8: Shadowsword advances and fires on Subjugator for 1BM.
LatD3.9: Subjugator holds and moves forward.
LatD3.10: Subjugator marches.

END PHASE:

Hydra AA shoots down 2 doomwings in one formation and 1 out of the other,
BTS-Coven fails to rally.
Tank Co rallies.
Subjugator rallies.

(hmmm... must have missed how the tank Co got broken. I think it wasa subjugator shooting at them.)

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Author:  mordoten [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
Turn 4: Steel Legion wins initiative.

SL4.1: Tank Co sustains on Subjugator killing it.
SL4.2: Hydras retains and advances then fires on coven claiming crossfire killing 3 transports (5BM).
LatD4.1: Subjugator engages reg HQ killing 4 stands and 1 chimera but dies in the process.
LatD4.2: Subjugator retains and engages Reg HW wiping them out for the loss of 2 shields.
SL4.3: Hydras doubles and fires on borken coven killing 3 stands.
LatD4.3: Subjugator engages Shadowsword and destroys it for no losses.
SL4.4: Thunderbolts stand down.
LatD4.4: Subjugator marshalls and moves.
SL4.5: Thunderbolts ground attacks coven killing 1 stand (2BM).
LatD4.5 same coven summons demons and marshalls.
SL4.6: Shadowsword marches over centerline to deny TSNP
LatD4.6: Doomwings stand down.
SL4.7: Deathstrike goes on OW.
LatD4.8: Doomwings stand down.
LatD2.9: Coven advances.

END PHASE:

BTS-Coven rallies
Coven rallies.

LatD has T&H, SL has nothing. Minor draw with 1100 to LatD and 1200 to SL.

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Author:  mordoten [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
My thoughts:

Well, that went better than expected. When Norto managed to break my deathstrikes with his second activation i thought i was done for to be honest. Buhe battlecannons of the subjugators just kept on missing their targets. Thats what you get for being perverted fineds who spend more time on S/M games than on target practise! :-P
The guard hit very well though and did lots of damage. We will swap the armies over next time and try again. On paper the LatD build seems very powerfull atleast...

Sorry if the text is more messed up than usual. My keyboard is giving up so sometiomes it skips letters and sometimes it duplicates them. Buying a new one soon.
Author:  Norto [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
Winter is coming Dan!!!!!

Love the names, I'm keen for round 2. Does look good on paper. Felt like it should have achieved more but maybe the strat 1 is enough to shut them down enough each turn. We can give it another go and maybe others if they like.

Thanks for writing it up!!!!
Author:  Mrdiealot [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
In my experience, spamming Subjugators isn't that scary. They don't shoot half as much as the slightly more expensive Questor, and they can have trouble winning / surviving an engage against anything big and/or tough.

Once you get two of them going at the same time, or maybe use Commander to make them support something else, they become a lot more nasty.
Author:  kyussinchains [ Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: LatD Redux vs Steel Legion 3K
I wonder if dropping a subjugator and using the points to upgrade the other five to questors might be worth trying? Questors are generally more useful in my experience, but either way, keen to see a rematch ;)
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