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Author:	mordoten [ Tue May 01, 2018 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Orks vs Black Legion 3K
Me and Norto did another game testing out some NDC proposed changes for the orks. This time we tested out: Battle wagons going to 25p instead of current 35p. Heres my list: Incompertus, 3000 POINTS Ghazgkhull Thraka's War Horde (NetEA Tournament Pack 2013) ================================================== WARBAND [300] 2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, Warlord, 4 Battlewagon WARBAND [300] 2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 4 Battlewagon WARBAND [300] 2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 4 Battlewagon FIGHTA SKWADRON [200] 4 Fighta Bomba FIGHTA SKWADRON [200] 4 Fighta Bomba FIGHTA SKWADRON [200] 4 Fighta Bomba MEKBOY STOMPAMOB [500] 3 Stompa, Supa Stompa BLITZ BRIGADE (BIG) [350] 4 Flakwagon, 4 Gunwagon, 2 Oddboy BLITZ BRIGADE (BIG) [350] 4 Flakwagon, 4 Gunwagon, 2 Oddboy STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150] 6 Stormboyz STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150] 6 Stormboyz Nortos list (Tzeentch aligned, not undivided): Incompertus, 2990 POINTS 13TH BLACK CRUSADE BLACK LEGION (2014 Armybook Edition) ================================================== RETINUE [340] 8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Daemonic Pact, 4 Rhino, Sorcerer Lord RETINUE [425] 8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Obliterator, Daemonic Pact, Chaos Warlord (Supreme Commander) RETINUE [340] 8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Daemonic Pact, 4 Rhino, Sorcerer Lord CHAOS TERMINATORS [275] (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 4 Chaos Terminator CHOSEN [170] 4 Chaos Space Marine Scouts, (Chaos Undivided), 4 Dreadclaw Drop Pod, Daemonic Pact CHOSEN [170] 4 Chaos Space Marine Scouts, (Chaos Undivided), Daemonic Pact, 2 Rhino HELL BLADES [200] 3 Hell Blade Fighters, (Chaos Undivided) DEVASTATION CLASS CRUISER [150] (Chaos Undivided) DEATH WHEEL SQUADRON [275] (Chaos Undivided), Death Wheel DEATH WHEEL SQUADRON [275] (Chaos Undivided), Death Wheel BIKE COMPANY [325] 8 Chaos Space Marines Bikes, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, Daemonic Pact DAEMON POOL [45] (Chaos Undivided), 3 Lesser Daemon I garrisoned my stormboyz forward and tried to spread out my army as mucgh as possible to avoifd getting hit bu the OB too much. Norto garrisoned his chosen in front of my stormboyz. Attachments: EpicMapstart.png [ 700.35 KiB | Viewed 1782 times ]

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Author:	mordoten [ Tue May 01, 2018 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Orks vs Black Legion 3K
TURN 1: Black Legion wins initiative. BL1.1: Spaceship activates. Orbital bombardment template kills 1 nob and 1 boy from a warband (3BM). Pinpoint strips shield and does 2DC of damage to Supa Stompa (3BM). Deradclaw with chose lands in front of damaged warband. BL1.2: Chosen in dreadclaw retains initiative (with the help of the SC) and engages damaged warband (using 3 demons). they win the combat for the loss of two stands (2BM). O1.1: Fighter-bombas ground atatck retinue on left flank killing 1 rhino and 1 stand (3BM). O1.2: Fighter-Bombas retain and ground attacks another retinue killing 1 rhino and 1 stand (3BM). BL1.3: Deathwheel advances and fires on blitz brigade for 1BM. O1.3: Fighter-Bombas ground attacks garrisoned chosen killing 1 rhino (2BM). BL1.4: Hellblades intercepts fighter-bombas. 1 Hellblade is shot down from Fighter-bomba AA (2BM) and two ork planes are shot down in return (3BM). O1.4: Blitz brigade doubles and fires on garrisoned chosen killing 1 stand and breaks them. BL1.5: Deathwheel doubles and fires on Stompa Mob for 1BM. O1.5: Blitz Brigade doubles and fires on Deathwheel stripping 1 shield (1BM). BL1.6: Bikes marches to central ruins. O1.6: Stompa Mob Marshalls and moves into ruins clearing 2 out of 4 BM:s. BL1.7: Retinue marches up the board. O1.7: Warband doubles and fires on bikes killing 1 (2BM). BL1.8: Retinue marches. O1.8_ Warband doubles and fires on Deathwheel for 1BM. BL1.9: BTS-retinue marches. O1.9: Stormboyz doubles and ZoC:s several units. O1.10: Stormboyz engagea bikes but gets wiped ut for no chaos losses (oh great!). END PHASE: Warband fails to rally. Chosenm rallies. Attachments: EpicMap1.png [ 694.92 KiB | Viewed 1764 times ]

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Author:	mordoten [ Tue May 01, 2018 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Orks vs Black Legion 3K
TURN 2: Black Legion wins initiative. BL2.1: BTS-retinue engages stormboyz wiping them out for the loss of 1 stand (1BM). BL2.2: Retinue retains intitiative (with the help of the SC reroll) and engages warband wiping them out for the loss of 1 rhino (1BM). O2.1: Fighter-Bombas ground atatcks Deathwheel for 1BM. O2.2: Warband retains initiative and engages same deathwheel winning the combat for the loss of 2 grots. BL2.3: Deathwheel doubles and fires on warband for 1BM. O2.3: Stompa Mob sustains on retinue killing 3 stands and 2 rhinos breaking them. The templates also clips another retinue kilign 2 stands (4BM). O2.4: Fighter-Bombas retains initiative (with the help of the SC) and ground attacks same retinue who got clipped killing 1 stand and breaks the formation. BL2.4: Chosen summons 3 demons and marshalls clearing all their BM:s. BL2.5: Bikes tries to retian bu holds and clear their BM:s. O2.5: Fighter-Bombas ground atatcks chosen on hill near ork blitz and breaks them. BL2.6: Hellblades ground atatcks broken warband killing 2 stands and 1 battle wagon in total. O2.6: Warband doubles behind chosen and claims crossfire to other warband killing 1 stand and 1 demon (3BM). O2.7: Blitz brigade doubles and fires on same chosen for 1BM. END PHASE: Warband fails to rally. Retinue fails to rally. Deathwheel rallies. Chosen rallies. Retinue rallies. Attachments: EpicMapturn2.png [ 674.18 KiB | Viewed 1764 times ]

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Author:	mordoten [ Tue May 01, 2018 2:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Orks vs Black Legion 3K
Terminators teleport in on ork blitz behind stompa mob without any BM:s. TURN 3: Black Legion wins initiative. BL3.1: Terminators engages stompa mob. No damage is done to either formation and the stompa mob wins the roll off by 1. BL3.2: Deathwheel retains and engages warband killing everything but a Nob and a Battle wagon for no losses. O3.1: Fighter-Bombas ground attacks chosen and breaks them. O3.2: Stompa Mob retains initiative and sustains on deathwheel breaking it. BL3.3: Chosen summons 4 demons and marshalls clearing both their BM:s. BL3.4: Bikes retains initiative and engages warband wiping them out for the loss of 1 bike (1BM). O3.3: Fighter-Bombas ground attacks retinue killing 2 rhinos and breaks the formation. O3.4: Blitz Brigade retains initiative and engages bikes winning the combat for the loss of 3 units (3BM). BL3.5: BTS-retinue sustains on blitz brigade killing 4 units and breaks the formation. O3.5: Fighter-Bombas fails to activate. BL3.6: Hellblades ground atatcks broken blitz brigade wiping the formation out. END PHASE: Bikes rallies. Warband fails to rally. Retinue rallies. Warband fails to rally. chosen rallies. Retinue rallies. Detajwheel rallies. Terminator rallies. Game was called here since Norto managed to rally every god damn formation and had 8 unbroken ground units to my 1 for turn 4... Attachments: EpicMapturn3.png [ 664.87 KiB | Viewed 1764 times ]

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Author:	mordoten [ Tue May 01, 2018 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Orks vs Black Legion 3K
Thoughts: Ouch.... Massacre of the greenskins. Couldn't seem to hit at all in engagments and even the damn Black Legion Rhinos made their saves most of the time! Could probably have used the mechanized warbands in a better way but i've never really used them before. The mechanized warands where good to carry the boyz into action over the field and i think the price drop is a really good idea since the warbands need some mobility to see more action outside of Landas in peoples lists. I don't think it's iportant that the list might be more akin to the speed freak list if mechanized warbands gets used more. The important thing is that we get to see more warbands being used since they should be the most common unit of the army! If Space Marine tacticals gets a FF boost to make them more viable i certainly think this price drop is okay for dsoing the same to the warbands. I would like to try doing a massed mechanized warband list with 5+ formations and see how that works...

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Author:	Norto [ Tue May 01, 2018 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Orks vs Black Legion 3K
Oh man, Was a super fun game for me Hehehehe Yeah it really topped it off when i rallied all 5 broken formations at the end. The mech warbands didn't seem over the top in this game so its getting the thumbs up from me. Im not an ork player but they arnt great FF formations so they still dont seem a great formation to set up support and keeping them loaded for added assault range it pretty crappy/risky with low armour on both. I guess the cover moving up and setting up multiple assault could go okay. Worth a try out.

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