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Author:  mordoten [ Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:59 pm ]
Post subject:  OGBM vs AMTL 3K
Me and Partisan_Nick decided to do a little different battle report with the Gargants. The idea came from some discussions on the OGBM thread where some people was arguing that the AMTL would probably rip the OGBM apart in a head to head match.
So me and Nick decided that i would assemble 2 lists that was geared for taking out titans and then Nick would choose which one to play.
Nick choose to play AMTL and this was his first time playing them.

Here are our lists:

Robo Smashaz, 3000 POINTS
Gargant Bigmob (3.3.1 - Developmental)
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GARGANT [625]
(Kustom) Flakka Dakka, (Kustom) Power Fields, 2 Gatling Kannon, Soopa Zzap Gun

GARGANT [625]
(Kustom) Flakka Dakka, (Kustom) Power Fields, 2 Gatling Kannon, Soopa Zzap Gun

GARGANT [625]
(Kustom) More Dakka, (Kustom) Power Fields, Gatling Kannon, Ripper Fist, Supa Skorcha

GARGANT [675]
(Kustom) Flakka Dakka, (Kustom) Power Fields, Gatling Kannon, Grot Guided Missile, Supa Skorcha

FIGHTA-BOMMERS [250]
5 Fighta-Bommers

FIGHTA-BOMMERS [200]
4 Fighta-Bommers


God Killers, 3000 POINTS
Legio Gryphonicus (NetEA v3.24 *APPROVED*)
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REAVER TITAN [800]
Legate, Carapace Multi-Lasers, Turbo-laser Destructor, 2 Volcano Cannon

REAVER TITAN [775]
Veteran Princeps, Carapace Multi-Lasers, Turbo-laser Destructor, 2 Volcano Cannon

REAVER TITAN [750]
Veteran Princeps, Carapace Multi-Lasers, 2 Turbo-laser Destructor, Volcano Cannon

WARHOUND TITAN [375]
Single Weapon System Surcharge, Veteran Princeps, 2 Turbo-laser Destructor

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [150]
2 Thunderbolts

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [150]
2 Thunderbolts

The deployment was that i deployed the gargants on 1 side while nick spread out a little more.

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Author:  mordoten [ Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
TURN 1: Titans win initiative and lets Gargants go first.

G: Fighter-bombas ground attack warhound outside the AMTL AA-bubble stripping 2 shields and doing 1DC (2BM).
T: Thunderbolts go on CAP.
G: BTS-Gargant Sustains and fires both grot guided missiles on Warhound killing it (if you're gonna do something, do it right and proper my mommy always said).
T: Thunderbolts stand down.
G: Gargant in middle doubles into forest.
T: Reaver on right flank doubles and fires on BTS-Gargant stripping 3 shields (1BM).
G: Gargants on right flank doubles and fires on Reaver for 1BM.
T: Reaver in middle doubles to right flank and fires on Gargant stripping 3 shields (1BM).
G: Gargant in middle doubles and fires on reaver stripping 1 shield (1BM).
T: Reaver doubles and fires on gargant stripping 2 shields (1BM).
G: Fighter-Bombas ground attacks reaver in middle. Thunderbolts intercept and shots 1 down even with the Fighter-Bombas jinking.

END PHASE:

Every unit clears some of their BM:s.

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Author:  mordoten [ Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
TURN 2: Gargants win initiative.

G: Gargant uses "push em" and doubles into support range to reaver and fires on it stripping 2 shields (1BM).
G: Gargant retains, uses "push em" and engages reaver. Together with the support from other gargant they do 4DC to the Reaver for no damage (even without shields). The reaver brakes and retreats behind woods.
T: Thunderbolts go on CAP with the help of the SC.
G: Gargant doubles to center of board and fires on reaver stripping 3 shields (1BM).
T: reaver sustains on Gargant without shields and does 4DC (5BM).
G: Fighter-Bombas stand down.
T: Reaver advances into forest and fires on hurt gargant doing 3DC and breaking it.
G: BTS-gargant doubles forward and fires on reave rin forest for 1BM.
T: thunderbolts stand down.
G: Fighter-Bombas ground attack reaver in middle. Thunderbolts intercept but only do 1BM. Fighter-Bombas does 1BM to reaver.

END PHASE:

The badly hurt Gargant looses it's last DC to a fire from the "push em" move.
Other Gargant takes 1DC of damage from fire from "push em" move.
Reaver rallies.

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Author:  mordoten [ Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
TURN 3: Titans win initiative.

T: Reaver doubles and fires on gargant stripping 3 shields (1BM).
T: Reaver retains, advances into forest and fires on BTS-gargantstripping 3 shields and doing 2DC (3BM):
G: Fighter-Bombas ground attacks reaver stripping 2 shields (1BM).
G: Gargant retains and engages the same reaver doing 1DC for no losses. The reaver looses combart and breaks.
T: Thunderbolts stand down.
G: BTS-Gargant holds and clears 2 BM:s.
T: Thunderbolts stand down.
G: Fighter-Bombas ground attack reaver stripping 1 shield and does 1DC (2BM).
G: Gargant engages reaver destroying it for the loss of 3 shields.

END PHASE:

Reaver rallies.
Gargant takes 1DC from fires.

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Author:  mordoten [ Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
TURN 4: Gargants win initiative.

G: Fighter-Bombas ground attacks reaver in center stripping 2 shields (1BM).
G: Gargant retains and engages reaver doing 3DC (1 is a crit!) for the loss of 2 shields. The gargant wins the combat and the reaver breaks. The Gargant consolidates to capture both T&H objectives.
T: Reaver by AMTL blitz advances up on hill and fires on Gargant for 1DC of damage (2BM).
G: BTS-Gargant doubles to get inside 30cm of broken Reaver titan.
T: Thunderbolts ground attack Gargant for 1BM. Uses the Supreme commander reroll for this.
G: Fighter-Bombas ground attacks broken reaver for no damage.
T: Thunderbolts stand down.

END PHASE:

Gargant takes 1DC from fire.
Other gargant puts out fire.
Reaver fails to rally and Gargants secure the TSNP objective.

Gargant win with 2-0 (T&H and TSNP) in Turn 4.

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Author:  mordoten [ Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
Post-battle thoughts:

Well, that was unexpeted! I thought the AMTL would thrash the Gargants.

But the abysmall rolls for Nick really f-ed up his game today. For everytime he shot with his 2 volcano cannon equipped Reavers, 1 would always miss (on a 1)! Just once during the whole game did he manage to hit with both Volcano cannons and then only did 3DC of damage.
So the dice where really cruel to Nick this evening.

The fires from the "Push em harder ladz" move caused 4DC of damage during the game and killed 1 gargant off.

Nick did a mistake in the setup and put his Warhound outside the AA-bubble. This quickly led to me killing it off and stealing away 1 crucial activation for him.
He also moved up a little to close so i could engage him. But since he didn't really know the "push em" rule so good this was understandable.
Also the last SC reroll should have been saved for the broken Reaver. If that would have rallied it had gone to point and the Gargants would have probably on with something like 1000-750 points or close to that.

This was Nicks first time playing the AMTL.

I rolled high numbers of shields for all the gargants (8,8,7 and 6).

Fun and fast game! With some better to hit rolls and some more cautious movements to stay outside my engagement range i think Nick would have killed off atleast 1 Gargant nore and thus being able to win on points.
Author:  Vaaish [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
Interesting report, a bit surprised at the AMTL Loudout and list. Dangerously low on activations that can contribute late game.
Author:  Markconz [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
Cheers for report :)
Author:  Apocolocyntosis [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
interesting lists, were they (or at least the AMTL) made specifically tailored to other titan lists? lot of volcano cannons to bring to an open party and no CCWs!
Author:  mordoten [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
Yes, both lists where tailored for that. The AMTL list was geared to rain hot fiery titan death over the Garhants from afar.
Gargant wespons was for stripping shields, they already have more dice in assaults (due to more DC) and lead by +1 resolution from the start (more dc).
Author:  partisan_nick [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
Gaaah, My first post got eaten by the internet due to auto-log out from the forum...

But Mordoten covered most of it. The lists are odd due to the point of the battle beeing to try out pure Titan vs. Gargant warfare. I was afraid that the Gargants would loose badly but that was not the case at all. I made a huge mistake in placing my expensive War hound on the extreme flank outside the AA-bubbles (I am so used to using them with my Death Corps/IG so it's almost an auto-placement). When I lost my only fast element the objective game became a lot more difficult and I had to close in with the Gargants.

As noted the Gargants really rule the engagements vs. Ravers with +1 resolution, 2 more attacks and 2 more wounds. While I as a unexperienced pniceps commander probably did not focus my fire power enough. The Gargants can take a LOT of punishment so it was actually an unusually un bloody battle for beeing Epic, only 3 ground units and a few planes killed.

Still it was a fun and different game and I look forward to a re-match, possibly with a few more support units.

I still think the ork gargants could use better guns though. With always doubling the tend to not hit anything at all, not even Titans... :-)
Author:  kyussinchains [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: OGBM vs AMTL 3K
nice report chaps, we may have to try a rematch of this in our group at some point ;)
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