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3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-25
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Author:  Dave [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:  3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-25
A report from this past weekend against m_folias.

Code:
Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Imperial Fists (NetEA V1.2 - Developmental)
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CENTURION [425]
4 Assault Centurion, 2 Land Raider Crusaders

DEVASTATOR [350]
4 Devastator units, 4 Thudd Gun, 2 Bunkers + Trenches

DEVASTATOR [350]
4 Devastator units, 4 Thudd Gun, 2 Bunkers + Trenches

LAND SPEEDERS [200]
5 Land speeder

PREDATORS [250]
4 Annihilator

PREDATORS [250]
4 Destructor

SCOUTS [150]
4 Scout units, Rhino

WHIRLWIND BATTERY [300]

FELLBLADE [350]
1 Fellblade

TACTICAL [375]
6 Tactical units, Rhino, Supreme Commander


Code:
Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Codex Astartes (NetEA Tournament Pack 2014)
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BIKE [250]
4 Bike Unit, Chaplain, Attack Bike

DEVASTATOR [250]
4 Devastators, Rhinos

LAND SPEEDER [200]
5 Landspeeder

SCOUT [175]
4 Scouts, 2 Snipers, Rhinos

TACTICAL [450]
6 Tacticals, Supreme Commander, Hunter, Rhinos

TACTICAL [325]
6 Tacticals, Dreadnought

TERMINATOR [350]
4 Terminators

THUNDERHAWK [200]

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [175]
2 Thunderbolt Fighters

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [175]
2 Thunderbolt Fighters

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [175]
2 Thunderbolt Fighters

WARHOUND [275]
1 Warhound Class Titan
Author:  Dave [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
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Start of Game

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Start of Game

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The Supreme Command doubles, loose a Marine to overwatch fire, and lays a BM on the Devastators.

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Scouts double up and up a BM on them.

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TBolts hit the Land Speeders, taking one out.

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Destructors march.

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TBolts hit the IF SC and take out two Rhinos and a Marine.

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The SC doubles.

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Devastators double up and take out a Scout's Rhino.

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Devastators take out two Scouts.

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The THawk lands on the Annihilators and wipes them out.

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Whirlwinds hit them for BMs.

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Land Speeders double and lay a BM on the Scouts.

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IF Land Speeders double and lay a BM On the THawk.

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The Warhound advances and misses with everything on the Devastators.

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The Centurions march.

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The Bikes engage the Scouts.

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The Scouts are wiped out for a bike.

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The Subjugator Scouts double and lay a BM on the Devastators.

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Terminators Teleport in and the Fell doubles on the Warhound, missing.
Author:  Dave [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
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Turn 2

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Turn 2

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The Fellblade throws it into reverse and takes out a Terminator (yes they rolled three 1s). The Devs retain, fail and shoot, breaking the Terminators.

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TBolts break the IF Speeders.

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The Warhound advances on the SC and takes out a Marine.

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Whirlwinds hit the Tacticals, taking two out.

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TBolts strafe the IF SC and take him out.

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Destructors double and do the same to the Subjugator SC.

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Speeders breaks the IF SC (not pictured) and Devastors take out another Marine in the Subjugator BTS.

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TBolts take out a Crusader and a Centurion.

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They marshal.

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The Tacs attempt to double, fail, and move.

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The SC marshals, pulling back behind the hill.

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Devastators advance on the IF Devs.

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Scouts do as well.

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The Bikes engage.

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After the dust clears the Fists are wiped out from all the support for two bikes.

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The THawk stands down.
Author:  Dave [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
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Turn 3

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Turn 3

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Turn 3

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The Fellblade lets rip on the Speeders, but after some fancy saving only two go down.

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The Whirlwinds break them anyway.

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The Warhound doubles and lays waste to all but one Destructor threatening the flank.

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Terminators attempt to double, fail and marshal.

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The SC doubles to grab a T&H, laying a BM on the Scouts.

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Tacticals double and grab one as well, they break the IF Speeder.

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The Devs come out of their bunker to grab another T&H.

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Whirlwinds take out two Whirlwinds.

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The Centurions double to reinforce the T&H.

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TBolts stand down.

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TBolts break the Whirlwinds.

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Bikes grab Blitz.

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End of Game

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2-0 SM with Blitz and T&H.
Author:  Dave [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
The lack of AA definitely hurt the Fists. Their BTS was also out of position for most of the game thanks to a lucky TBolt taking out a Crusader before they could activate turn 2. With the line being as long as it was I concentrated on one flank in an effort to turn it. It worked, but it took a lot of support.

Matt also played a game another game against uberChris' Feral Orks. That one was called due to time though.
Author:  m_folais [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
8 games in with the list, 3-4-1. Only the Eldar had me completely combat ineffective. Floppy smoked me!

I play, the list because I have yellow Marines. It is a fun list, its a good time. Whatever is limited or removed from the codex list has no effect on me personally. I get the best results from a list with 2 fell blades and double predators detachment.

Dave out generaled the shit out of me. I was scraping for every inch. Total loss. The Centurions never really got into it, with any thing. The gav guns are about useless on the dev version.

The bunkers are not to my play style. I do not like the static defensive points. I need to sit down and think about how to properly use them as an anchor or how to create a vacuum with them. Using bunker combos for or in a tourney setting will take a lot of practice.
Author:  kyussinchains [ Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
Thanks for the report guys, the writeup is much appreciated :) will have a detailed look later
Author:  jimthewookie [ Fri May 01, 2015 1:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
great looking armies looks like it was a good game gents
Author:  Ginger [ Fri May 01, 2015 2:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
Really good looking report and game, many thanks.
Author:  kyussinchains [ Fri May 01, 2015 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
So having had a detailed readthrough, any more comments? Does anything feel weak or strong about the list? You mentioned using twin fellblades, do they feel overpriced when taken alone? Do they work better in pairs? Do you think they are too cheap or expensive?

The static play element is a tricky one, if it doesn't suit you it doesn't suit you! I would hope the list still works effectively if you decide to play more mobile style

Have you considered using vindicators? I'd really like to see some more testing with six-strong formations as we can also feed that back into the codex marines discussion
Author:  Dave [ Fri May 01, 2015 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
My PoV is still what it was last time.

Matt likes the Fellblades, I'm still not sold on them as I'd rather have the activations. If Warhounds were in the list I'd take them over Fellblades. So I guess that means I think they're too expensive, but obviously there's nothing but opinions to back that up.

I definitely like the static option, getting the most out of it depends a lot on objective placement and terrain though.

CaptPiett and I might get a game in next week. If it's a IF game I'll mention the Vindies.
Author:  captPiett [ Fri May 01, 2015 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
Hey Kyuss,
I used a 6-strong vindicator FM in my last IF game (quite a ways back), and I like the idea of them. It's a cheaper FM that helps list-building. If Dave's saves weren't his typical annoyingly-supernatural good, they would've put some serious hurt on a warhound. However, given the short range of the demolisher, once it is in range of its target(s) the FM is quite vulnerable. One has to be overly careful that it does not become a one-use weapon.
Author:  Dave [ Fri May 01, 2015 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
I don't remember that game, are you thinking of an Iron Warriors playtest? I remember a formation of Vindicator formations in one of those (the one where that stupid swamp killed half my army).
Author:  captPiett [ Fri May 01, 2015 3:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
uhhh, yeah. sorry, my mind remembered yellow (lamenters) vindicators in my Emperor's Children-colored Iron Warriors army and I thought that was an Imperial Fist test. oops.

I can't imagine how I got confused with that one - maybe a desire to write a "I helped!" post got the better of me :P
Author:  captPiett [ Fri May 01, 2015 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Imperial Fists v1.2 vs NetEA Space Marine - 2015-04-2
The point might still stand however. I rolled the vindicators up and they shot, then promptly lost a bunch of units to counter fire. Of course, they wouldn't have broken so easily with the ATSKNF of the IF.
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