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Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
Ok, so i decided to try out some of my new ideas for the Gargant list. The only thing I've added is the Stompa Mob (with no price reduction) to see how it will work. I know that the balancing and testing of this list should be done against the core lists but i couldn't resist the temptation of doing a Titan vs Gargant battle to start off my stewardship of the list!

My list:

Incompertus, 2995 POINTS
Gargant Bigmob (V3.03)
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GARGANT [770]
No Kustom Upgrade, (Big Kustom) Wyrdboy Tower, 2 Deth Koptas

GARGANT [700]
No Kustom Upgrade, (Big Kustom) Wyrdboy Tower

SUPA STOMPA (NORMAL) [375]
1 Supa Stompa, No Kustom Upgrade, (Big Kustom) Wyrdboy Tower

SUPA STOMPA (NORMAL) [375]
1 Supa Stompa, No Kustom Upgrade, (Big Kustom) Wyrdboy Tower

STOMPA mOB (NORMAL) [225]
3 Stompas

FIGHTA-BOMMERS [250]
5 Fighta-Bommers

FIGHTA-BOMMERS [150]
3 Fighta-Bommers

FIGHTA-BOMMERS [150]
3 Fighta-Bommers

My opponents list:

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Legio Gryphonicus (NetEA v3.23 *UNDER DEVELOPMENT*)
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REAVER TITAN [725]
Legate, Carapace Multi-Lasers, Laser Burner, 2 Gatling Blaster

REAVER TITAN [775]
Veteran Princeps, Carapace Multi-Lasers, Plasma Destructor, 2 Gatling Blaster

REAVER TITAN [700]
Veteran Princeps, Carapace Multi-Lasers, Laser Burner, 2 Gatling Blaster

WARHOUND TITAN [275]
Vulcan Megabolter, Plasma Blastgun

WARHOUND TITAN [275]
Vulcan Megabolter, Plasma Blastgun

RECON COHORT [100]
4 Sentinels

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [150]
2 Thunderbolts

Heres the setup:

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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
TURN 1: Orks win initiative:

O: fighta bombas ground attack sentinels. Reaver AA does 1BM. 2 sentinels die and the formation breaks.
T: thunderbolts go on CAP.
O: Supa-stompa i ncenter doubles forward.
T: warhound doubles to the center and fires on supa stompa for 1BM.
O: stompa mob doubles forward and fires on warhound, stripping 2 shields (1BM).
T: warhound doubles forward in center and fires on stompa mob killing 1 stompa and breaking the formation.
O: supa stompa on right flank doubles forward behind large hill.
O: reaver on the left flank doubles and fires on supa stompa in center of the board, stripping 1 shield and doing 1DC (2BM).
O: fighta bombas ground attack warhound in center of the board. thunderbolts intercept. But supa stompa AA shots 1 down. thunderbolts do 1BM on fighta bombas and they shot the other plane down in return. the bombas do 2DC and 1 is a crit. the wahound stumbels into a building and is destroyed.
T: reaver marches to central buildings.
O: fighta bombas ground attack broken sentinels on left flank. reaver AA does 1BM. the sentinels are wiped out.
T: reaver on right flank marches to central buildings.
O: gargant on left flank doubles using the road for extra movement. fires on warhound in the center stripping all shields (1BM).
O: BTS-gargant on right flank doubles forward using the road for extra movement.

END PHASE:

Stompas rally.

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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
TURN 2: Orks win initiative.

O: fighta bombas ground attacks reaver on left flank stripping 2 shields (1BM)
O: gargant on left flank retains and engages reaver. The reave rmanages to win the combat and the gargant withdraws backwards.
T: Same reaver on left flank marshalls (3 shields up) and fires o nbroken gargant in front of it. Only manages 1DC.
O: fighta bombas ground attack warhound in center stripping 1 shield. (1BM)
T: warhound doubles forward and fires on stompa mob breaking them.
O: supa stompa in center doubles backwards to its deploymnet zone and fires on warhound for 1BM.
T: reaver on right flank advances and fires on BTS-gargant stripping all its 6 shields (1BM).
T: BTS-reaver retains, advances, and fires on the same garagant but only manages to do 1BM!! (crazy saving rolls for gargant!)
O: supa stompa on right flank doubles forward and fires on reaver stripping 1 shield (1BM).
O: fighta bombas ground atatck reaver on right flank stripping 3 shields (1BM).
O: BTS-gargant engages reaver. After 2 rounds of combat and with the help of supporting fire from the supa stompa the gargant manages to win the engagement. But it is badly hurt and only has 6DC left (not broken though because of the added death koptas).

END PHASE:

Gargant rallies
stompa mob rallies
reaver rallies

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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
TURN 3: Orks win initiative.

O: stompa mob doubles forward and fires on warhound breaking it.
T: reaver on left flank advances and fire on gargant for 1BM.
T: BTS-reaver on right flank retains and sustans on BTS-Gargant in front of him for 1BM.
O: supa stompa in center doubles forward and fires on reaver stripping 1 shield and doing 1DC (2BM).
O: fighta bombas retains and ground attacks same reaver and manage to break it.
O: fighta bombas ground attack BTS-reaver stripping 3 shields (1BM).
O: fighta bombas stands down.
O: BTS-Gargant doubles and fires on on BTS-reaver stripping the last shield and doing 3DC (4BM).
O: supa stompa engages BTS-reaver and wins the combat (no damage to any participant).
O: gargant in center engages broken reaver and destroys it for the loss of 1DC.

END PHASE:

BTS-reaver rallies
warhound rallies.

0 - 0 in objectives.

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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
TURN 4: AMTL wins initiative

T: BTS-reaver sustains on BTS-gargant and destroys it! THE AMTL claims the BTS objective.
T: reaver on left flank retains and engages gargant. It wins the combat for the loss of 3 shields.
O: stompa mob doubles and fires o nwarhound breaking it.
O: fighta bombas ground attacks BTS-reaver for 1BM.
O: fighta bombas ground attacks BTS-reaver for 1BM.
O: fighta bombas ground attack broken warhound for no damage.
O: supa stompa in center doubles and fires on reaver for 1BM.
O: supa stompa on right flank doubles back and fires on broken warhound for no damage.

END PHASE:

Gargant rallies
warhound fails to rally

1 - 0 in objectives to AMTL (BTS), Gargant big mob wins on points 1500 - 1120.

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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
My thoughts:

A really fun game! It awesome to see all this big ass killer machines clash with each other. I think the AMTL did pretty good even if they lost 3 activations in turn 1. I thought they would get more badly beaten. But the failed engagement in turn 2 on the left flank made them stay in them game. The gargants didn't feel too overpowered compared to the reavers, mainly because of their shields not having the power to come up again.

The reason (other than getting to field all my big boys at once!) for this battle was to try out the stompa mob. As i expected it got broken really easy. I was very lucky in rallying them, rolled a 6 both times. But they rally on a 5+ (6+ on any enemies ar within 30cm) which is really bad. Both the lone supa stompas and the stompa mobs suffer from not being able to use the mob rule due to it's low numbers.
I think a points drop at 25/25/50 for the stompas is reasonable and will not make them to cheap. Maybe the supa stompa could do with a 25 points drop too...
Author:  tgjensen [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
Quote:
The reason (other than getting to field all my big boys at once!) for this battle was to try out the stompa mob. As i expected it got broken really easy. I was very lucky in rallying them, rolled a 6 both times. But they rally on a 5+ (6+ on any enemies ar within 30cm) which is really bad.


That's partially a problem for all 3-unit formations and Orks. 3-unit formation break if you kill even one, and broken Orks have a hard time rallying. Naked Stompa mobs are always going to suffer from that - which isn't to say that they couldn't use a points reduction. But it would probably be prudent to take a bigger mob, regardless of initial points cost :)

Anyway, nice to see some action on this list! I'll try hard to squeeze in a Gargant Big Mob game in the nearish future.
Author:  mordoten [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
i agree, 3 unit formations are not that great. I understand if the AC is careful about meddling with points on the approved lists. But since i would prefer to see more stompa mobs than lootas in this list (the theme is big stompy warengines!) i can see how a point reduction for them would be good in this list.

Great if you can do some games! don't forget to do battle reports! :-)
Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
Thanks for the report. Gives some food for thought.
Author:  kyussinchains [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
Brutal slugfest of a game! Thanks for posting

What about adding the option for a 'big' stompamob so you can add resilience and a points break without affecting the other lists? Personally I don't see small points tweaks to the same formation across lists as an issue, after all there is precedent with tbolts costing 175 for marines and 150 for guard.....

alternatively monkey with the base formation size? Maybe four stompas for 250/275 instead of three for 225?
Author:  mordoten [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
well, the plan was to let the stompa mobs be either normal, big or huge like in the othe rlists. The only difference from the other lists was to let them cost 200/375/525 to make them more viable as choices compared to Lootas.

But maybe a base price at 225 as normal +50 points per extra stompa could be doable too. I'm not sure about having different build in a list though (everything else comes in normal/big/huge)

Any opinions on supa stompas at 300?
Author:  kyussinchains [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
I definitely think upgrade prices should be flexible.... I did exactly that with the IF with zero backlash, added price breaks so stuff like one vindicator for 50 points, 2 for 75, one land raider for 75, two for 125, something like that would be ideal for stompas, or 50 points each works too :)
Author:  Borka [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
Nice one thanks for sharing!
Author:  Kyrt [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
Personally I think 4 would be a good option from a usable formation point of view.
In general the sweet spots are with even numbers for small formations, due to the way BMs work..
Author:  primarch [ Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ork Gargant Big Mob vs AMTL 3K
Hi!

Cool report!

Primarch
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