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3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
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Author:  Dave [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
Had a game with CaptPiett last night as I had to drop off his paints so his majesty could paint his models. ::)

Anyway, we're going to try to get Onyx 6 battle reports in our group so he's number one.

Code:
Incompertus, 2995 POINTS
Iron Warriors (NetEA v3.0 *UNDER DEVELOPMENT*)
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IRON WARRIORS COMPANY [390]
6 Chaos Space Marines and 2 Havocs, Warsmith (Supreme Commander), 4 Chaos Rhino

IRON WARRIORS COMPANY [350]
6 Chaos Space Marines and 2 Havocs, Iron Warriors Lord, Stalker

ARMOURED ASSAULT COMPANY [250]
6 Chaos Vindicators

IRON WARRIOR TERMINATORS [335]
Iron Warriors Lord, 5 Iron Warrior Terminator

CHOSEN [145]
4 Chaos Space Marine Scouts, 2 Chaos Rhino

OBLITERATOR CULT [350]
4 Obliterators

ARMOURED COMPANY [350]
6 Chaos Predator, Stalker

HELLBLADE FLIGHT [200]
3 Fighters

ORDINATUS MEDRENGARD [625]


I tried something completely different from my normal lists, a WE heavy one. Warhounds and a Landing Craft made an appearance.

Code:
Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Codex Astartes (NetEA Tournament Pack 2013)
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DEVASTATOR [325]
4 Devastators, Rhinos, Hunter

LANDING CRAFT [350]
1 Landing Craft

PREDATOR [350]
4 Destructor, 2 Vindicator

SCOUT [150]
4 Scouts, Rhinos

TACTICAL [450]
6 Tacticals, Supreme Commander, Hunter, Rhinos

TACTICAL [275]
6 Tacticals

THUNDERHAWK [200]

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [175]
2 Thunderbolt Fighters

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [175]
2 Thunderbolt Fighters

WARHOUND [275]
1 Warhound Class Titan

WARHOUND [275]
1 Warhound Class Titan
Author:  Dave [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
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Start of Game (complete with vans down by the river).

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Start of Game

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The Ordinatus hits the SC formation, taking out a Rhino and a Hunter.

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Devastators double and lay a BM on the garrisoned retinue .

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Hell Blades CAP

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TBolts straffe the garrison and take out a Marine.

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The garrison marshals, laying a BM on the Scouts and removing their BMs.

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A Warhound doubles and takes out a Marine on the garrison.

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Predators advance and strip it of its shields.

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The second TBolts break the garrison.

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Vindicators advance.

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The second Warhound doubles and takes out a Predator.

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The Chosen double and lay a BM on the Scouts.

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The SC marshals, moving into cover.

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The Obliterators double to place the AA bubble over the Ordinatus.

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Scouts double across the swap, a Rhino and a Scout fail a dangerous terrain test. They manage to take out a Chosen though on a 7 with 2 shots!

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A retinue goes on overwatch.

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The Landing Craft comes in, taking a hit from the Hell Blades. It and the vehicles take out the Stalker in the Predators.

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The Thawk crashes into the broken retinue.

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The Thawk gets critted by the Warsmith but the Chaos Marines die to a man.
Author:  Dave [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
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Turn 2

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Turn 2

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Terminators come in near the Marine SC/BTS.

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The Warhound engages the Predators.

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1-0, Warhound.

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It rolls like crap and breaks despite being up by 2.

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The SC advances to back away from CC range of the Terminators and lay a BM on them.

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The Odinatus takes outa Predator and a Marine.

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The Vindicators strip the other Warhound of its shields.

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TBolts break the Predators, taking two out.

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Obliterators land three hits on the Warhound, but it makes them all and doesn't break!

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Devastoars take out a Chosen.

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The Tacticals on foot retain to advance and break the Chosen, taking the last two out. The Rhinos withdraw.

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The Terminators attempt to engage, fail and move.

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The Warhound marshals, takes out an Obliterator, removes all its BMs and brings up all its shields.

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The Retinue doubles and lays a BM on the Tacticals.

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The Predators attempt to advance, fail, and move.

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Hell Blades stand down.

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The second TBolts lay a BM on the Vindicators.

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The Landing Craft stands down.

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Scouts engage the Vindicators.

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5-1, Marines.

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The Scouts stand tall.
Author:  Dave [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
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Turn 3

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Turn 3

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Terminators engage my BTS.

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The result is as expected.

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The retinue sustains and takes out two Vindicators and a Pred, breaking them.

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A Warhound advances and wipes out the Obliterators.

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The Ordinatus takes out a Rhino and a Marine.

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TBolts stands down.

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Hell Blades break the Devastators.

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TBolt stands down.

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Predators hide.

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Scouts attempt to grab three objectives but one drons in the Swamp... they get two.

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Marines attempt to grab it, two drown in the swamp doing so...

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The Warhound grabs DTF.

Marines win it 2-1, T&H and DTF vs BTS.
Author:  Dave [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
CaptPiett wanted to try out the Ordinatus as there was clamor about it being "must have". Not sure I agree with that, it took out six units total for the game (one more than the stupid swamp...) and he spent a considerable chunk of points protecting it (Oblits and a retinue) against my air assault. Diverting the Oblits to bubble it left me free to pick off things on his right flank.

Dice swung pretty evenly I thought. I failed 5 dangerous terrain tests but managed to kill the Chosen on 7s and make my Warhound saves.
Author:  uberChris [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
Yeah, I've seen powerful BP weapons fail to do much of anything at times. Fighting 4+ saving, KNF Marines doesn't help the Ordinatus either. A test against Tyranids, I.G. or another low armor save list, should yield better results for the Ordinatus.

Dave, just remember that the swamp you were moving through was a Warhammer 40k death world swamp - full of poisons, monsters, carnivorous plant life that bleeds (of course), gore, bones, blood, skulls with smaller skulls in their mouths and eye sockets :eh , the stench of ridiculously high prices...the corpses of abandoned game systems and product lines...poop...
Author:  Dave [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
That's where all the Epic 40k stuff must have been sent in the early 2000s...
Author:  primarch [ Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
Hi!

Great report!

Primarch
Author:  Bellerophon [ Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
Interesting to see how the list works.
Seems like a fun game was had.
Author:  ortron [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
Great looking report, love the marines, Subjugators?

Interesting that both warhounds survived the battle, singles usually die pretty quickly in our games.

Was the ordinatus just unlucky in its to hit rolls? the SM forces look fairly close together at times, suggesting it could have caused a number of hits & BM?
Author:  captPiett [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
The warhounds made some pretty good saves. If Dave had rolled more on the mortal/average level, one would've died I think. Or at least have broken.

Dave deployed as spread out as he could. I note in the IW thread that a lot of my templates hit empty ground. I caused an average number of hits per barrage, and he saved an average amount of them (IIRC). Between that and the limited number of SM units, there were just not that many hits.

Overall this battle told me (usual caveats about this being only one game of course) that there's two ways to counter the ordinatus: 1) kill it, which I committed a significant portion of my force in preventing; and 2) deploying to minimize its effects. The latter is especially possible for SM, with their smaller FMs and good armor saves. Much less so for horde armies.
Author:  Dave [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
Ya, I made 3 saves on the Warhound (one fail would have broke it) and it then went on to marshal, bring up all its shields, shedding all BMs and took out an Oblit to boot. That bit of luck compensated for the mass graveyard the swamp became for my Subjugators.

On the Warhound surviving, I try not to expose them to fire or at least get them with some kind of obstruction between them and the enemy. The Vindicators advancing on it could have gone worse for me, and the Obliterates got lucky with three hits, I just got lucky as well.

Agreed on the Ordinatus, in this case I think the amount of points that went towards protecting it hampered what the rest of the army could do. I thought its hit rolls were average as well, I just attempted to minimize what it could roll with the exception of the air assault forces.
Author:  Matt-Shadowlord [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
Great battle report, thanks for posting it. Well fought, and top marks go to the swamp for achieving so many kills. I wish that was a purchasable option for Tau :D

Excuse the back-seat-generalling but since the discussion is about the ordinatus, it is true that spread out marines make a comparatively poor target for it, but if I am judging the scale of this photo correctly, the target I would have gone for would be either of the warhounds with the goal being to put the one of the two extra templates on another warhound and the third on a nearby marine formation.

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If I am correct in assuming it would reach, the result would be a minimum of 2 blast markers on 3 formations before any disrupt dice were rolled, a great way to start the game. It's only 1 more to break each warhound.

My recommendation if you want to get value for the points spent on it is to look less at what it can kill, and more at how many things it can blast and break per shot.

Killing stuff is gravy. :D
Author:  Dave [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
If the hound on the right was targeted the second and third templates would have likely been able to get the other hound with 1 die roll and one marine.

That was actually my biggest fear once I realized the Ordinatus was Disrupt (thought it was IC). Had CP placed templates like that I would have likely asked to redeploy the right hound to make it a better playtest. He didn't so I didn't bring it up.
Author:  captPiett [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 3k Iron Warriors vs NetEA Space Marines - 2015-01-07
Point taken - I generally avoid targeting WE with barrage because of the poor chances of getting a hit, but the potential of breaking both hounds with a single disrupt barrage should've occurred to me. During a regular game (had I considered it), it would've been with some glee that I'd place those templates over 3 FMs. As it turns out, I was focused on attrition of his BTS and prepping it for a later engagement.

That said, during playtests our group assumes perfect information about opposing capabilities. A player knowing about that potential to break the hounds would have deployed differently and negated that potential. The philosophy behind that is "gotcha" moments or obvious mistakes are functions of the players, not the lists, and therefore should not be part of the results of playtesting. So, I would've agreed that Dave redeploy the titans accordingly.
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