Tactical Command

AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K
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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:24 pm ]
Post subject:  AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

Did another battle with my titan legion this evening. My opponent was Nicklas and his Steel legion. TThe battle was swift and a crushing defeat for the IG.

My list:

Bigus Dickus 3000 POINTS
Legio Gryphonicus (NetEA v3.18 *UNDER DEVELOPMENT*)

Legate, Carapace Multi-Lasers, 2 Gatling Blaster, Laser Burner

Veteran Princeps, Carapace Multi-Lasers, Carapace Landing Pad, 2 Quake Cannon

2 Inferno Gun

2 Inferno Gun

2 Inferno Gun

5 Forge Knights

4 Sentinels

2 Thunderbolts

Gothic Class Cruiser

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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

Heres my opponents list:

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Steel Legion (NetEA Army Compendium v20120208)

Supreme Commander, 12 Infantry, 7 Chimera

Commander, 12 Infantry, Hydra, Fire Support Platoon (4 Fire Support)

10 Leman Russ, Hydra

6 Rough Riders


4 Sentinels

2 Deathstrike Missile Launchers

2 Thunderbolts



Author:  mordoten [ Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

The setup was like this:

No garrisons.
(the IG player forgot about this...oops!)

Steel Legion spread out all across their deployment zone since i had both Orbital Bombardment and a MW-Barrage Titan in my list.

The AMTL set up all their forces to the center and right flank, leaving a lone Warhound to guard the left flank.

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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

TURN 1: Steel Legion wins initiative.

SL:Deathstrikes sustain on Quake-Reaver. I misses (yay!) and the other strips all the shields.

TL: The Ark Mechanicus arrives and kills 2 stands of guards i the Reg HQ with it´s orbital bombardment. It also destroys the SL-Warhound on the left flank with it's pinpoint attacks.

SL: The Tank Co doubles forward with the help of the SC and fires on the Quake-Reaver. All shields are stripped.

TL: The Quake-Reaver sustains o the Tank Co and kills 2 tanks.

SL: Manticores sustain on Quake-Reaver, 1 BM.

TL: Thunderbolts ground attack Sentinels on the left flank and kills 1.

SL: Inf Co by SL-Blitz doubles forward into a forest in front of the Blitz.

TL: Sentinels by TL-Blitz marches up to central forest near both TL:s T&H objectives.

SL: Sentinels Hold and break. They fall back behind the forest by the SL-Blitz.

TL: Warhound on left flank doubles forward behind small mountains and fires on Inf Co in forest. 1 BM.

SL: Rough Riders marches forward on right flank and sets up positions for a charhe in turn 2.

TL: GB-Reaver doubles towards center forest and fires on Tank Co, 1 tank is destroyed.

SL: Thunderbolts stand down.

TL: Warhound in center advances forward and fires on Tank Co. 1 Tank dies and the formation breaks. The tanks fall back behond a mountain in SL:s deployment zone.

SL: Reg HQ doubles towards center of the board and fires on a Warhound, 1BM.

TL: Warhound on riight flank doubles down the flank and ends up behind Rough Riders. The titan fires on them and kill all but thir commisar who falls back towards Deathstrikes on right flank deployment zone.

SL: Warhound advances towards right flank and fires on Warhound. Strips all shields and 1 BM.

TL: Forge Knights marches to the centre to come in 30cm of Tank Co.


Rough Riders and Tank CO fail to rally, Sentinels rally. All TL formations manages to clear BM:s.

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Author:  mordoten [ Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

Turn 2: Steel Legion wins initiative.

SL: Reg HQ advances towards Forge Knights and fires on them, 1 knight dies.

TL: Forge Knights doubles in front of Tank Co. and fires on them. 1 tank dies.

TL Warhound on right flank retains and engages Tank Co. in a clipping assault. The Warhound wins with the help of supporting fire from the Forge Knights and the Tank Co is wiped out. the TL claims the BTS objective.

SL: Warhound engages Forge Knights but looses the combat! About here the SL-player is ready to give up.

TL: Quake-Reaver sustains on Reg HQ and kills 6 stands of guards and 2 Chimeras (ouch!).

SL: Thunderbolts ground attack Forge knights, 1 BM.

TL: The Sentinels advances into forest and fires on the Reg GQ. ! BM is done and the Reg HQ breaks.

SL: Inf Co, In forest by SL-Blitz sustains on Warhound in front of them. Both shields are stripped.

TL: The Warhound returns the favour and sustains on Inf Co killing 2 stands.

SL: Sentinels advances and fires on Sentinels, 1 BM.

TL: Warhound in the center doubles towards SL-Blitz and fires on Manticores, 1 BM.

SL: Deathstrikes advance towards Forge Knights abd fires on them, 1 BM is done and the Knights break.

TL: Thunderbolts ground attack Deathstrikes and kill 1 of them breaking the formation.

SL player concedes the game. He has only 1 unborken formation on the table (Inf Co) and all the TL Titans are unharmed save for a few stripped shields. If we would have continued to the third Turn his army would have bben wiped out almost completly.

I forgot to take a picture of the end of turn 2. Sorry...

Author:  mordoten [ Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

My thoughts:

The Ark Mechanicus is too good for 175 points! It hould be at least 200 points ot even more!

Quake/CLP Reaver is still very deadly. I think I've softened on the change to the CLP. To be able to move and fire indirectly is crazy good!

Forge Knights felt ok for their price, didn't acomplish that much in this game (killed 2 leman russes).

I'm finally getting the feel for this army and think i know how to use it now. Concentrate all power on 1section of the board and make sure to take out all ther AT-fire ASAP.

2 more battlereports to go now!! :-)

Author:  Vaaish [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

Cool, thanks! I'm a bit confused though at your report. You've got that you are using 3.18 for AMTL but you seem to be using most of the current costs. The other question is where are you getting the point value for the spacecraft? 3.22 doesn't have a Gothic cruiser and the price of the Ark was 150 not 175.

I don't think it affects your conclusions, but I thought I should point it out.

I'll try to read over this more thoroughly tomorrow. It's been a crazy weekend. :)

Author:  mordoten [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

Hmmm.... I'm using the list thats posted in the OP of "AMTL, the push for approved".

But i'm using the armyforge builder to create the list in my first post, with some changes to try to match the correct points.

Author:  Vaaish [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

I think armyforge is messed up then. It's not adding the surcharge on your warhounds either. the 2x inferno ones should be 300 each (275 for the single and +25 for two of the same weapons.). By my count, that puts the list over 3k by 50 points if we use just the latest PDF costs.

Author:  mordoten [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

Well, i had PBG and VMB on them all, just forgot to change that when i built the list with armyforge. So i was within the points. :-)

Author:  Vaaish [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

haha... well then I guess I can't trust anything in the list up there :)

Author:  Vaaish [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

Ok, well on a more serious note. It sounds like the dice were a bit evil that game. I think you got lucky with the miss on the deathstrikes. Had that gone though I think the game would have played out quite differently.

I am a bit confused though with that because you mentioned the one missiles stripped all the shields from the Quake Reaver, but the next SL activation says the tank coy did the same. What happened here?

I'm surprised that your opponent didn't make a more concentrated effort to take down the smaller formations or strip the shields on the Reaver before firing the deathstrikes. He certainly had the firepower to crack the warhounds, forge knights, and sentinels!

How did that GB seem? It didn't like they did all that much this game.

Author:  mordoten [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

Yeah, thats wrong. The Tank Co only did 1BM.

Author:  mordoten [ Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

The GB didn't do anything special this fight. It feels ok, in no game so far it has felt overpowered. But i still can't see why anyone would take the TLD over the GB... Maybe 5 shots on the GB will make the TLD more attractive.

Author:  Vaaish [ Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: AMTL vs Steel Legion 3K

That's good for the GB. I'd rather battle titans be using GB over the TLD anyway. You'd take a TLD if you run a standard warlord or reaver. The only other time you'd use them is with a warhound. But regardless, with 5 shots or 6 shots the GB is a better choice than the TLD since it performs the same vs armor but better vs infantry.

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