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Author:  Markconz [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:45 am ]
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New battle report here, enjoy!
http://hordesofthings.blogspot.co.nz/20 ... s-tau.html

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Author:  caregadras [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:03 am ]
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Wonderful Report, Epic armies, Glorious clash!

Author:  Markconz [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:19 am ]
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Cheers Caregadras! My opponent Andrew has just sent me a great Tau AAR and "player thoughts" which I've added to the bottom of the Battle Report, it's a nice read!

Author:  Dave [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:34 pm ]
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Thanks for the report Markco, any thoughts on the bugs?

Author:  Apocolocyntosis [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:43 pm ]
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Nice report, really like the tau army conversions.

Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:57 pm ]
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Thanks for the report. Two great armies, but I think the Tau will have to change a bit to cope with the bio-WE.

Author:  Dave [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:40 pm ]
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As a heads up, in 10.2 WEs are limited to 1/3 of your army. Unfortunately, Adam's told me that the Armyforge can't handle that type of restriction so you have to check for yourself. With the 2 dules, harridans and Trygons plus the Dom the nids were at 1500.

Author:  mordoten [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:51 pm ]
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Awesome report! Thanks for doing it!

Author:  Andrew_NZ [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:10 pm ]
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Great game thanks Mark.
Looking forward to the next one!

I'll try to make my AAR more fluffy next time
(Tau language lexicon here I come.

Apocolocyntosis wrote:
Nice report, really like the tau army conversions.

Thanks. I am currently stupidly proud of the Orca, laser cut 6 mm MDF.
Watching the template cutting brought tears to my eyes.

The deeper cuts at the front of the vehicle sparked flickering flames and the fumes streaming off in the airflow completed the graphic illusion of an atmospheric shuttle re-entry. Not many Epic miniatures survive real laser fire as well (60 watt pin-point attack).

If I'd started the army 10 months later it would doubtless have been Onslaught Miniatures based.
I am now stubbornly committed to converting or building the Tau myself (a Manta cutting plan is in progress).
However I figured for mercenaries and other races joining the Greater Good, buying the figures in is OK!
The Avians have arrived, . . .

Dave wrote:
As a heads up, in 10.2 WEs are limited to 1/3 of your army. Unfortunately, Adam's told me that the Armyforge can't handle that type of restriction so you have to check for yourself. With the 2 dules, harridans and Trygons plus the Dom the nids were at 1500.

I guess this means the game is perhaps not that useful as a "play test" for the Tyranids.
It was very good as a play test for me on how to use the Tau, . . . for the Greater Good.

I did struggle to work out how to scratch the bio-WE so that is useful support for the 1/3 points limit on bio-WE.

Tiny-Tim wrote:
Thanks for the report. Two great armies, but I think the Tau will have to change a bit to cope with the bio-WE.

My Tau army list was selected to try out the range of models I have made,
and before I knew I'd be facing Tyranids.

It is clearly in need of some harder hitting fire power, AT fire at least:

The Broadside units are currently a work in progress, but they should help with long range AT and ignore cover AP and with good armour saves to boot.

I made up some Tiger Shark AX-1-0s but worried about that number of points maybe having to stand down on a turn. The lack of Tyranid AA would help keep them alive I guess. and the bio-WE are prime targets.

Part of my hold-up on completing this TOEG-2013 Tau Army was that I got distracted scratch building orbital support. This turned into an entire Tau Battle Fleet Gothic Fleet. So perhaps one of those space craft should provide support for the ground forces (2 x TK(D3) pin point attacks might be useful!!).

Any advice from more experienced Tau Commanders would be useful.
Shas'o, Shas'el or Ethereal advice all welcome. They all died in this game.

Author:  caregadras [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:22 pm ]
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I Like all the work done here! Compliment and to Andrew too for the epic tale around this battlereport.
Epicness all around.

Author:  Dave [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:26 pm ]
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Andrew_NZ wrote:
I did struggle to work out how to scratch the bio-WE so that is useful support for the 1/3 points limit on bio-WE.


Ya, that doesn't make me too hopeful for a bio-titan list.

Great work on the army, by the way. The Orca looks great.

Author:  Markconz [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:45 pm ]
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Thanks for the comments guys.

Dave wrote:
As a heads up, in 10.2 WEs are limited to 1/3 of your army. Unfortunately, Adam's told me that the Armyforge can't handle that type of restriction so you have to check for yourself. With the 2 dules, harridans and Trygons plus the Dom the nids were at 1500.


Ah!! That's interesting cheers, but honestly that's also damn messy when it comes to list construction and you'd be much better off just reformatting the list in some way to account for this problem.

I'd suggest shifting Harridans, Hierodules, Hierophants, and Trygon Swarms into "BioTitan Brood" part of the list and make the limit 1/3.

I also wouldn't worry about the Dominatrix counting towards the limit, as it's only 4DC and you can only have one. Trygons only being 5+RA are comparatively less of a threat and other armies can easily get more WE RA than that if they want (Imperial, Eldar, Chaos, Ork just for a start). I don't think there is any good reason for Tyranids being less capable in that regard unless their WE are overpowered - and comparing them I don't think they are yet. If you really want the Dom brood to count towards the WE limit, then make the limit of the Bio-Titan Brood section 1/4, or alternatively shift the Dominatrix there, but I don't think either of these measures is necessary given years of playtesting the nid lists against all other opponents.

Author:  Dave [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:09 pm ]
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Ya, a little messy. It is effectively one extra check like the Necron list. I went with what I did as I didn't want the brood creatures that you can add to a Nexus/Harridan/Trygon swarm counting towards the limit.

I've fine opening it up to restructuring but I want the list approved first. After that, hashing out something that get's us 90% there with less mess is fine.

Author:  Xenocidal Maniac [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:10 pm ]
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Oh, my God! BEAUTIFUL armies! Great batrep. Thanks so much for sharing.

Author:  Commander Sims [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:34 pm ]
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Ta for sharing always love your reports, the added section on the Tau development was also a great. Look forward to the next one (maybe a win for the greater good).

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