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Author:  frogbear [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Chaos Squats vs Marines
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Chaos Squats vs Marines

Date: 05 November 2010
Points 3000
Space Marines : Standard NetEA
Chaos Squats: Chaos Squat Development thread: viewtopic.php?f=82&t=18770&start=0


Space Marines
400 Terminators + Chaplain
400 Terminators + Chaplain
200 Thunderhawk
200 Thunderhawk
275 Warhound
275 Warhound
475 Tacticals + Hunter + Supreme Commander
150 Thunderbolts
150 Thunderbolts
150 Thunderbolts
150 Scouts - these started in a Thunderhawk
150 Scouts - these started in a Thunderhawk


Chaos Squats
275 Chaos Squats + Vedaj + Zharr
275 Chaos Squats + Vedaj + Annihalators
300 Ludus Golyam
300 Ludus Golyam
300 Ludus Golyam
300 Ludus Golyam
300 Ludus Golyam
300 Ludus Golyam
650 Zeppelin

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Although this was a game planned just for the hell of it, I took this opportunity to try out a list build that seems to have escaped my attention when making the Chaos Squats. This game was

to see if the above list build would be seen as 'too much'for the list.


Table setup
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Author:  frogbear [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
Objectives have been placed as corner deployments are selected
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Teleports
- None

Turn 1 - Marines Win Initiative (elect for Chaos Squats to go first)

- Ludus March to behind ruins
- Thunderbolts GA Chaos Squats killing 1x Vedaj and 2x INF
- Chaos Squats Marshall, move and remove BM (INF stay in Vedaj to minimise aircraft attacks)
- Thunderbolts GA Chaos Squats w/ Zharr killing 1x INF
- Chaos Squat w/ Zharr Marshall, move and remove BM (INF stay in Vedaj to minimise aircraft attacks)
- Thunderbolts GA Zeppelin causing 1 wound - no crit - PHEW!!
- Ludus March to forest
- Thunderhawk GA Ludis - zip
- Ludus Marshall, move and remove BM

The setup with Warhounds ready to pounce
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- Tacticals Double into terrain (AV move 5cm to gain reroll in difficult terrain)
- Ludus fail activation and remove BM
- Warhound Doubles and kills one Zigganook and all Gladiators on board
- Ludus fail activation and remove BM
- Thunderhawk GA Ludus - zip
- Ludus fail activation and remove BM
- Warhound Doubles on Chaos Squat w/ Zharr killing 1x Vedaj and troops inside
- Zeppelin Advances (with assistance from Zharr), and strips a Warhounds shields


Teleports
- Terminators next to Chaos Squats w/ Zharr - gain 1x BM
Author:  frogbear [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
Turn 2 - Marines Win Initiative

- Warhound Advances on Chaos Squats w/ Zharr Killing 1x Vedaj and transported troops as well
- Terminators retain and engage Chas Squats w/ Zharr wiping out the formation
- Zeppelin fails activation and fires on Warhound causing 2 wounds and no crit
- Tacticals go on Overwatch
- Ludus advance on Terminators for no hits
- Thunderbolts Stand Down even after assistance from SC
- Ludus Engage Terminators killing 1 and breaking them
- Thunderbolts Stand Down
- Ludus Engage Warhound doing 2 wounds for no losses and breaking it.
- Thunderbolts Stand Down
- Ludus Engage fleeing Warhound and destroy it
- Thunderhawk GA Chaos Squats - zip
- Thunderhawk w/ 2x Scout formations Engages Chaos Squats. 2 Scouts die before breaking Chaos Squats.

Rally
- Terminators Fail
- Chaos Squats fail


Teleports
- Terminators next to Chaos Squats - no BM
Author:  frogbear [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
Turn 3 - Marines Win Initiative

- Thunderhawk GA Ludus - zip
- Scouts retain and assault Ludus. Scouts break with only 1 left after causing a single would on the Zigganook
- Ludus Double to own Objective and fires on Warhound - zip
- Warhound Marshalls, shoots killing 5x INF (breaking the formation) and removes BM
- Ludus Charge Scouts and wipe them out after 2 rounds of combat
- Thunderbolts GA Ludus destroying the Zigganook and 2x Gladiators and a Large Mutant and the wrechkage hit the ground. Ludus broken.
- Thunderbolts retain and GA Ludus - zip
- Ludus Double to attain opponents table half and shoot Terminators - zip
- Thunderbolts GA Ludus - zip
- Ludus Marshalls, moves and removes BM
- Thunderhawk GA broken Ludus. Ziganook dies due to BM
- Zeppelin Doubles on broken Terminators - Chaplain saves lone TK hit

Terminators ready to strike
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- Terminators Assault broken Chaos Squats wiping out the formation after losing a unit and gain their own 3rd objective
- Tacticals Advance to gain two of their own objectives


Rally
- Scouts fail
- Ludus fail


Score
Marines: 1 DTF
Chaos Squats: 0
Author:  frogbear [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
Turn 4 - Marines Win Initiative

- Thunderbolts GA Zelppelin - zip
- Ludus Engage Warhound and break it - no hits either side
- Terminators Double on Ludus and breaking them - no kills
- Ludus fail activation and move around Terminators to contest objective and remove BM
- Tacticals go on Overwatch
- Ludus Double to string out and gain own blitz and another objective. Fire on broken scout for no hit
- Thunderhawk GA Ludus - zip
- Zeppelin Doubles on Terminators killing the Chaplain and breaking Terminators
- Thunderbolts GA Ludus killing the Ziganook and a gladiator
- Thunderhawk GA same Ludus - zip
- Thunderbolts GA same Ludus again breaking the formation
- Terminators hholding objective stay where they are.


Rally
- Ludus fail
- Ludus fail


Score
Marines: 1 DTF
Chaos Squats: 0




Countback
Marines: 1450 points
Chaos Squats: 1375 points

A very close game :)
Author:  frogbear [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
Post Game thoughts

This game highlighted that the Ziganooks were not as great as feared, however the Gladiators using them were better than expected once they got into BtB assault. From this game the following changes are being considerred

- Ludus Golyam to go to 5 Gladiators and 3 Mutants instead of 4 and 4.
- Zigganook to go down to 30cm move

Zeppelin was quite good, yet far from over the top. The Skimmer and Support Craft rule worked quite well and (for Marines at least) make the Zeppelin a hard SC to take down. I would expect most if not all other forces would find it an easier task.

Overall a very close game.

The Marine force - well really, what more needs to be said? Not a Marine force that you could call Marines - and I guess that is the reason for all the debate.
Author:  Ares [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
Nice report. I like your terrain placement. And yeah, the Marine list was really a good point in the debate.
Author:  frogbear [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
Yeah, it was not really a game we took seriously. Both of us with lists that we would rather not see, it was really just a case of let's see what happens.

The game was good for the simple fact of forcing me to find ways to balance the abuse of the Ludus Golyam.

The updated list should be out soon.
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
frogbear wrote:
The Marine force - well really, what more needs to be said? Not a Marine force that you could call Marines - and I guess that is the reason for all the debate.


Agree completely, far too many thunderbolts.
Author:  Morgan Vening [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
The_Real_Chris wrote:
frogbear wrote:
The Marine force - well really, what more needs to be said? Not a Marine force that you could call Marines - and I guess that is the reason for all the debate.


Agree completely, far too many thunderbolts.

Against that force, maybe. In general, I find the activation count, the tagging/prepping of enemy formations, and the strafing of broken formations to be worth the price.

Morgan Vening
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
I require some sort of humour emoticon.
Author:  Dobbsy [ Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chaos Squats vs Marines
The_Real_Chris wrote:
I require some sort of humour emoticon.

Is that because you often take that many yourself TRC?
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