What? We need to playtest to NOT get them in??!! Does that mean that if there are no playtests done they will be considered goid changes and get implemented?

If so, that seems kinda backward...

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I would like people to focus on the items for testing. I see them as minor changes and can be easily implemented, following tests with EUK games. I would like to see if anyone encounters an issue with them, which is why I am calling for the back to front testing.

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The fighta bommer restriction is not very small at all IMO. But you're the AC so go for it if you think it's the warranted and that the majority of Ork players agree with you.

Looking at the disscussion in this thread it seems like more people are against the new restriction than for it. It also seems that more players are for giving the Orkosaurus walker than against. In both cases you are going to go against this.

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It seems a fine approach to me for Tim to make them as discretionary changes unless problems are shown.

They're minor changes that have generally already been tested in the Epic-UK lists.


Giving walker to the Orkeosaurus would be a huge change to the list, it'd need to go up in cost and would need significant testing. I can see some people want it, but it's simplest and best not to mess with it.

Not everything that has legs and walks deserves to get the walker special rule - it's an ungainly behemoth carrying a vast structure on top, while being cattle prodded (or however) by the orks to get it to go in particular directions. I could easily see it hurting itself while crashing into trees and through ruined walls at high speed. Something small like a dreadnought could fit through gaps in a way such a big living creature couldn't.

A change from 1/3 to 1/4 in the SF or 250pts less of potential aircraft in 3k army is a step down, but not a major change.

Orkeosaurus with Walker has not been proposed as part of these changes - might come another day, as people are asking for it, but this will need testing as the unit will need a price increase to compensate. Same with Squigoths.

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Well you did actually damage two others (2 points on one, 1 on another). But you didn't do much damage to them or the Steam Gargants. No Macro or Titan Killer Weapons except close combat made it tough

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Well I lost 6 Orkeosaurus over the course of three games last Saturday. Definitely got tearful when Stompy was chopped down. Stinky just left a bad taste in the mouth and Rex's loss just added the icing on top.

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Counterpoint: The Steam Gargant is on tracks and is much easier to rotate in place than a standard Gargant or Titan.

I welcome the change for Kommandos - it's about time they got added to the list in a worthwhile capacity. The only problem I see with that addition is the lack of transport options for them. Other than garrisoning or specifically buying a landa for them, they're going to be footslogging across the board, and that is never good for Orks.

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