I would argue that it's basically three or four separate baskets, but regardless: You're right that it's expensive. Still, I dislike that the Devastation is simply better than every other cruiser in the game with a similar price point (and better than many of the 200pt ones, I'd argue). It's probably a futile problem to address here though- it's a deeply entrenched Chaos unit, so trying to 'fix' it here isn't really appropriate.

Now that I know my previous experience with this list had some big flaws I'm not confident in giving further opinions. Hopefully I'll get more chance to face them later.

Geep, yes the stats are set in stone, but not the price and restrictions in the list. So yes, you can't change the unit without changing it everywhere but you can absolutely argue (appropriately so I might add) about utility/cost in a list and they are open for modification. Also I should point out that there's no reason a Devestation has to be used either. There's plenty of archaic ship classes that are available such as the Styx or Repulsive that could be used instead. I'm not arguing for or against, just pointing this out.

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Hi Ole..

WargaminAU site is back up..

The changes he want to happen/suggested are in the following link(Below), which was post in April(That's when Roboshadow did it) and my apologies I thought it was after canacon16, it was before cancon16. I have not found any after thoughts on the list after the Tournament....

http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.p ... pic=183186 (PFE100 request he come over here and give his thoughts and feed back, so did one other)

Also his list..and he had no great spires(Only human )

25. Thousand Sons list 6.0.2.

1. Rubric Fellowship - 555
Sorcerer,
6 Thousand Sons Marines units.
3 x Rhino
3 x Deceiver
Icon Bearer

2. Rubric Fellowship - 305
Sorcerer,
6 Thousand Sons Marines units.
3 x Rhino

3. Silver Tower Company - 360
4 x Silver Tower

4. Silver Tower Company - 360
4 x Silver Tower

5. Thousand Sons Warcoven - 520
Sorcerer
6 x Thousand Sons Terminator

7. Thousand Sons Warcoven - 350
Sorcerer
4 x Thousand Sons Terminator

8. Warp Palace of Tzeentch - 500

So the list is nothing like the one that has spark discussion....

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Woow! You wake up and there are 5 new battle reports waiting on your front door. That is great. I update the first post already. It is looking stunning this all this reports. Thank you Brent (Oveja Negras) for your input. Your reports are form a older version, so I would love to read what you think about the list 6.1.2. Here or on the aussie forum ( I'm sure i might read it a bit sooner this time).

Back in the list 6.0.2, the one you used, it was hard to build a list with some activations, but I think we managed to get that one right.



On thing that is gaudy, is that you didn’t used many lesser daemons. The Guys here are all about how powerful particular flamers are, and you used nearly none.

The stuff you mentioned is here:


Back than it was nearly impossible and even if you could managed it it was quite a points sink. Covered that one.


You need have both sides of a coin. The New Rubric Rule makes Marshalling easier.


That is how it should be, but with the terrain interpretation you down under guys are using even brittler. The gun improvement should even it out a bit.  



Great to here feedback about the Palace, I still think it is a little overpriced



you could be right about that, but that is an issue for the big show.



It is just a name, I believe Neal came up with, to get a formation of sorcceres. Not being able to field a SC in an Rubric Formation is a list weakness that is intent.



Giving a sorcerer per two stands as a possible upgrade would mean some serious points upgrade. But as long as you pay for it. I never was in that need. You could summon daemons instead, even cheaper.



Great to hear that they are a good unit.



We done a similar thing, what do you think?



Good point never thought about that one. What does the community think about it?



We added scout and you could fan them out now, to cover some table. Don’t look to much in Gregs reports, he always leaves them in a huddle and rarely uses scout.

Thank you very much.

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Ok to be clear I have used TS once out of the 19 games played by the group and Roboshadow is the main player of T/S in the group.. ..So he leaves them huddle and rarely uses as scouts..

All I have done is write the 19 battle reports for the T/S.. ..So in fact I will write all the Batreps for the group this year, looking like 150 and I have played about 144 games roughly..

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Ah come on, I've must have mist a smilie there. Don't be upset.

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I had Roboshadow going by text "Did you know that i have played all the T/S games"...reply "Like BS"..

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Greg,

would you contact this Brent guy and ask him if he might write down his opinion about the 6.1.2 list. I would love to read about it.

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Sent PM to him through WargamingAU for you....

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Great Year for the Thousand Sons, Thank you

It is fun working on a list that has this much interest.

So let us look at what we have done:

- We gave the Neophytes a job and it works quite nice.
- We had a healthy discussion about the pricing of the Rubric Fellowship and 300 is solid.
- The new Rubric Rule is much better then the old one, I’ll be surprised if it won’t work out.
- The Terminators have a fluffy stat line and a decent price.
- Daemon Summoning is now much easier and the greater Daemon wasn’t even possible before.
- Putting the Deceiver in a formation of it’s own will see them some action. You can use it or not. Your Choice.
- Making the Bomber a twin Bomber makes it more effective then a single one, with the possibility of being shoot.
- Dropping the Strategy rating to 4 is a sensible one, but will remove the cheese smell this list likes to get a little bit.

- We will dropping the deamoinc focus and the Champion in the greater spire und the warp place.
- In terms of mobility was my first solution dropping the ahrimans chosen formation and keeping the droppods. After some privat discussion We are going to use it the other way round.
- Sekhmet Disc Riders are from now on 4 for 175 up to 9 for additional 35 points

The List 6.2 is going to be the list for 2017. I strongly believe there is not much missing. Happy Gaming every one.


I'll ask Simon to upload the changes to Armyforge.

And as always leave comments below

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Just noticed a mistake in the Champion Statline. He doesn't use the Daemon Artifact because he can only have one or the other. Will correct that one next time.

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You've now changed it so that there's no space ships at all? That's an interesting one.

The profiles for the spaceships and drop pods are still in the summary- you may want to remove them to avoid confusion (unless they're not gone and I'm blind?).

No that was a misstake and I have deleted them already, but had no chance replace it yet.

I felt to choose between alter the dread claw stuff till it suits or use the Ahrimans Choosen and since the first one is a tough one, I decided to delete them.

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When I checked the GW site and saw all the new Tzeentch stuff, I was definitely excited to see if anything new had been incorporated. Not too shabby, guys.

I have a few questions and comments.

Neophytes - Is 9 scouts for 175 not potentially abusive? I know they don't have range but it's 9 scouts. That can block a lot of area and take a fair amount of damage before breaking.

Rubric rule - I like the addition of the Marshall bonus. The lack of movement in Withdrawal was supposed to help stop some of the screwball games that retreating Fearless units can get into. Has that not been a problem?

Thralls - I'm a little disappointed they are gone. If they've gone for good, there's a reference to them in the Fickle rule.

I don't understand the comments about summoning and not being able to pull a GD. With 3 Thralls, you'd have 5d3, which gives 90-95% chance to summon a Lord of change. A champion with +2d3 is only 61.7% per attempt. The thralls aren't as automatic as the Champion sacrifice but Tzeentch is Fickle.

That said, 3 Thralls is definitely not as strong as a Champion in any way except that you could sac them all in an assault and get more attacks out of them than out of a Champion. Maybe they were just overpriced and should have been 15 points, so 3 would come in just under the Champion cost.

Edit: It just occurred to me that a nice bonus for the Thralls over the Champion is that the Champion sac removes the unit. Thralls don't.

Tzaangors - These seem to be the major new addition to the TS in 40K. They fill the same "cheap bulk" kind of role as the Neophytes do in this list. They also offset the FF focus with CC, much like the Kroot in the Tau army. Any thoughts on pulling the Neophytes and/or adding a Tzaangor Warherd formation?

Thank you very much, coming form you means a lot.



I know what you mean, it most certainly looks like it. And yes you can stretch them pretty far over the table, but they are that vulnerable that it does not take long to make them move again.


The Rubric rule had very little logic, I made a poll about it a while back and wrote about it there.
I never experienced that problem but maybe it is just me.



The price was one point and the other was that I liked to have less special stuff.


The champion has just Augmented Summoning (+2D3) the sacrifice stuff is not in the list because of the fluff.


Thank you that you weren’t asking for the assault cannons and flames stuff. I have ignored all of the new 40k stuff not because I don’t like them but when I took the list over it looked like helping the list just over the line. Right now it is changed again pretty much form dobby’s last list.

Thank you for your comments.

Ole

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