The Epic community invented the Stalker (and ironically removed it again later as non-canon) and GW is now releasing a model based on it:
I'd say 2 shots is appropriate. Some AP value could be better too - it's got 2 x tripple autocannons.
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| Author: | Onyx [ Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
Currently, the NetEA Iron Warriors list has the Stalker AA tank with the following stats: Quote: 50pts, Armoured Vehicle, 30cm movement, 5+ Armour, 6+ CC, 6+ FF, Stalker Missile Launcher, 30cm range, AT5+/AA5+ In my games it has been a sub-par option. My thoughts are to either decrease the points to 35 each or to increase the number of shots to 2x AT5+/AA5+. Has anyone else used this vehicle in a game? How does the Stalker look in general compared to other AA units? I don't have a preference either way but I believe it does need a small adjustment. What do you think? I'll leave this open for a week or so. Cheers, Steve. |
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| Author: | Jaggedtoothgrin [ Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
I think the 2 shots seems like a good option. especially when measured against the fact that the new GW Stalker kit has two seperate tracking weapons on it. |
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| Author: | GlynG [ Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
The Epic community invented the Stalker (and ironically removed it again later as non-canon) and GW is now releasing a model based on it: I'd say 2 shots is appropriate. Some AP value could be better too - it's got 2 x tripple autocannons. |
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| Author: | Simulated Knave [ Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
Triple autocannons are probably AP4+/AT5+. So one could certainly justify AP5+/AT5+/AA5+. Two shots definitely seems right, if nothing else. |
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| Author: | Onyx [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
The voting is pretty clear so far. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
Rumours say that the Space Marine Stalker is an Autocannon with 4 shots. I don't know if per turret or together. It can shot at two different targets. It has Skyfire (cannshot with unmodifires Ballistc Skill at aircraft) but no Interceptor ( so only hits ground targets on a 6.) If the rumours are tro and we talk about 4 shots per turret i would say: 30cm 2 x AA4+ No AT value. |
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| Author: | jimmyzimms [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
Would seem to have 2xAP6+, no? |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
If you take this liogic a few steps closer, then EVERY unit warants a AA6+ or AA7+ or AT LEAST a AA8+ attack. If i use my system then a Wh40k weapon has to at least 6 of these Snap Fire shots to warant one AT shot in Epic or 18 Snap Fire shots to warant one AP shot in Epic. |
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| Author: | Ginger [ Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
Just curious BL:- - Why AA4+ (not AA5+)? - Why no AT? I would have thought the Autocannon warranted at least AT6+ like the Predator Destructor (and there are three here) or have I missed something? 
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
If we assume two turrets with a 4 shot Autocannon each then it would have 45cm 2 x AP4+/AT6+ Give it the ability to shoot at aircraft we have 30cm 2 x AP4+/AT6+/AA4+ (-15 range for the 360° fire arc for a AA-attack. Imperial weapons with an AT and AP stat get the same to-hit than the AP stat for AA.) Then count in the (new) fact that Wh40k units with Skyfire but without Interceptor can only Snap Fire* at non-aircrafts then we are left with 30cm 2 x AA4+ *= In Wh40 ka model attempting to Snap Fire hits only on a 6. Every Wh40k model with a sooting attack can attempt to Snap Fire at aircrafts. I see this as the excuse that non-AA units in Epic can't harm aircrafts. |
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| Author: | Ginger [ Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
Hmm, I see where you are with the WH40k stats etc - though am a bit concerned at the comparison with other autocannon stats - All Predator Destructors with Autocannon have same stats, as do various IG vehicles:- AP5+ / AT6+ - Hydra Autocannon, also used on Reapers are AP4+ / AT5+ / AA5+ So, two questions here
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| Author: | jimmyzimms [ Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
The name change is probably a good idea regardless |
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| Author: | GlynG [ Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
AA5+ is good enough compared to other vehicles and considering it has two shots. BL's autocannon stats should be disregarded, regardless of the 40k Autocannon translation the Autocannon AT to AP ratio was set a long time ago in EpicA. I suggest: Stalker Autocannons 2 x 30cm AP4+ / AT5+ / AA5+. |
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| Author: | Onyx [ Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
Have to admit that I'm leaning towards the stats that Glyn mentioned. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iron Warriors Stalker AA Tank stats/cost? |
The Autocannon has AP5+/AT6+ because it has only two shots in Wh40k. With at least three shots it would be AP4+/AT6+. This i took as the basis for the Stalkers's assumed two Triple Autocannons. I would wait for the Codex to assure what the Stalker really is capable of. For now rumours say: 4 shots at strength 7 (no clue if per turret or at total). Can fire at two targets with a malus. Skyfire. BTW the Hunter is rumoured to have a strength 7, Ap2, Armourbane and 1 shot with Skyfire. |
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