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Author:  admiral_tee [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:19 am ]
Post subject:  Red Corsairs army list - some questions

Hi all,

After purchasing some Chaos flyers at GW Games Day in Cologne, i've been looking at creating a CSM army list. I like the look of the Red Corsair list and would like to ask some questions. Note i'm looking at the Net SA army list 2012 compendium.
1- Do experienced CSM players here view the Red Corsair list as competitive? Are it's strengths and weaknesses balanced?

2- It seems to have no option to upgrade to a Warlord character, leaving it bereft of a SC re-roll...

3- I know that orbital bombardments are limited to 1 'ship' however the formatting of the Red Corsair list implies otherwise, ie there is no 0-1 and the cruiser/battleship appears under the Upgrades (of which 2 are allowed per Core)...

4- The RC Daemon Prince - i take it that it can't be transported in a TH? If so, then what is the fastest way to get him into battle as Rhino's and LR's can't take him. On foot and triple movement orders?
What is the Desecrator? Note, it would be nice for a brief description next to units that aren't in 'mainstream' 40k canon/literature.

5- What are peoples thoughts on transporting CSM warbands in TH's. Is it a worthwhile expense?

Thanks in advance guys.

Tee

Author:  BlackLegion [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

1. Current opinion seesm to be that it is better than the BlackLegion armylist.

2. It follows the same Walord character rules as the Black Legion army list. The Compendium is missing them. The only rules from the BlackLegion list the Red Corsairs DON'T use is the faction rule.

3. The 0-1 limitation for space ships is a core rule so doesn't need to be duplicated in army lists.

4. Give him wings. Or use his Teleport ability together with Terminators/Obliterators.
The Desecrator is a Defiler with an AA weapon instead of the Battle Cannon.

5. Berzerkers in Thunderhawks seem to be a good choice.

Author:  admiral_tee [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

BlackLegion wrote:
1. Current opinion seesm to be that it is better than the BlackLegion armylist.

2. It follows the same Walord character rules as the Black Legion army list. The Compendium is missing them. The only rules from the BlackLegion list the Red Corsairs DON'T use is the faction rule.

3. The 0-1 limitation for space ships is a core rule so doesn't need to be duplicated in army lists.

4. Give him wings. Or use his Teleport ability together with Terminators/Obliterators.
The Desecrator is a Defiler with an AA weapon instead of the Battle Cannon.

5. Berzerkers in Thunderhawks seem to be a good choice.


1- ok, good to new. I see that the BL list is undergoing some changes, i guess if significant unit changes are made there they'll migrate to RC list as well (ie changes to core unit stats).

2- ahh, ok. Yeah, it's definitly missing from the compendium (copy/paste error?). I'll look at the BL list and use the Warlord creation rules from there. Cheers.

3- yeah it is a core rule, just saw where it was in the rules compendium :-[

4- Ahh ok, i see the Wings and Teleport... Sorry :-[ So given that he cant fit in a TH, he's probably best accompanying Terminators. Thanks for the update re the Desecrator. I still think a small appendix with brief descriptions on the 'new' vehicles could be an idea.

5- Yes, chatting with Onyx yesterday, Berserkers in TH sounds nasty. Can't do much against RA, but against 'normal troops' and LV's and AV's with no RA it sounds like a winner.

Thanks for the help BL.

Tee

Author:  admiral_tee [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

I also have another query.
Taking into account that you use the BL Warlord upgrade for the RC list (it's missing from the compendium), if I upgrade a Lord into a Warlord, am i able to upgrade him to a Daemon Prince - if so does he lose the SC?

In essence, can a RC list have a DP as a SC?

Cheers,

Tee

Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

I've played the RC list a lot and think its great, and well balanced for the most part.

Author:  Onyx [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

Evil and Chaos wrote:
I've played the RC list a lot and think its great, and well balanced for the most part.

+1.
I enjoy this list a lot. I haven't encountered any serious problems so far.
More playtesting would be great.

Author:  admiral_tee [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

Thanks E&C and Onyx.

Here's some more:
1- Taking into account that you use the BL Warlord upgrade costs for the RC list (it's missing from the RC list in the compendium), if I upgrade a Lord into a Warlord, am i able to upgrade him to a Daemon Prince - if so does he lose the SC? In essence, can you have a DP as a SC?

2- The Harbinger is 425 in the BL lists (both current compendium and new draft revision) yet 450 in the RC list? Is it a typo in the RC list?

3- The Thunderhawk in the RC list has the same stats and occupies the same 'slot' as the standard Adeptus Astartes SM list, i.e. support formation option. It's 200 in the AA SM list yet 250 in the RC list. Also the Black Templar has an upgraded TH with a Turbo Laser at 225 and the Scions of Iron have upgraded TH's for 250.
Is there a reason for the cost difference?

Cheers,

Tee

Author:  BlackLegion [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

1. IIRC i the BL he retains SC status. Same so in the RC list.

2. Same reason as with the Salamanders: To discourage air-assault only lists.

Author:  admiral_tee [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

BlackLegion wrote:
1. IIRC i the BL he retains SC status. Same so in the RC list.

2. Same reason as with the Salamanders: To discourage air-assault only lists.


Thanks BlackLegion.
'2' is referring to the TH question - i can see how that makes sense.

Hate to be a pain, but can you assist with the Harbinger question? Many thanks! :-[ :)

Tee

Author:  BlackLegion [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

Oops skipped this :D
Should be a typo. The Harbinger sould be the same cost as in the BlackLegion list. But i'm unsure if he is worth 250pts or if 225pts will suffice.

Note to me: Do more cross checking.

Author:  admiral_tee [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Red Corsairs army list - some questions

BlackLegion wrote:
Oops skipped this :D
Should be a type. The Harbinger sould be the same cost as in the BlackLegion list. But i'm unsure if he is worth 250pts or if 225pts will suffice.

Note to me: Do more cross checking.


Thanks BL!

Tee

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