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Does a cult of 15 - 25 obliterators all together concern anyone in so far as character?

While this may be 'in character', it may need carefull judgement when adding such a formation to the list - consider the extensive debates on Oblits in the past.

I am sure that the Chaos player would *love* to be able to teleport a large, all-fearless, all infantry, RA4+ formation onto the opposing Blitz - - - but isn't it rather cheesy?

but they can already do that with chaos terminators right? and cheaper too.
although, it doesnt come with AA support (thats kinda scaring me actually, oblits as air support. a formation of 5 of them, thats putting out 15 6+ shots right?)

i dunno, the hydras arent fearless with a 4+ RA, and dont teleport.

SHT -I'm not keen on upping the Decimator price as its 225 in the BL and I don't consider it undercosted at that price. However the Stormsword is noticeably inferior. I'm leaning towards dropping the Stormsword.

Author:	Evil and Chaos [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:05 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
Quote: Does a cult of 15 - 25 obliterators all together concern anyone in so far as character? In an Iron Warriors army? Not at all.

Author:	Ginger [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
While this may be 'in character', it may need carefull judgement when adding such a formation to the list - consider the extensive debates on Oblits in the past. I am sure that the Chaos player would love to be able to teleport a large, all-fearless, all infantry, RA4+ formation onto the opposing Blitz - - - but isn't it rather cheesy?

Author:	Jaggedtoothgrin [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
but they can already do that with chaos terminators right? and cheaper too. although, it doesnt come with AA support (thats kinda scaring me actually, oblits as air support. a formation of 5 of them, thats putting out 15 6+ shots right?)

Author:	frogbear [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
Ginger wrote: While this may be 'in character', it may need carefull judgement when adding such a formation to the list - consider the extensive debates on Oblits in the past. I am sure that the Chaos player would love to be able to teleport a large, all-fearless, all infantry, RA4+ formation onto the opposing Blitz - - - but isn't it rather cheesy? It would not be too different from other Cult lists.

Author:	PitFiend [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
Jaggedtoothgrin wrote: but they can already do that with chaos terminators right? and cheaper too. although, it doesnt come with AA support (thats kinda scaring me actually, oblits as air support. a formation of 5 of them, thats putting out 15 6+ shots right?) Well, you just add an Oblit or two to the Terminators, and then they've got AA support...

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Author:	PitFiend [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
Not as good as 300 points for 2 formations of Hydras, averaging 4 hits in two volleys, when compared to 2.5 hits in one volley from 5 Oblits. It's really not as scary as it sounds if they need 6's to hit.

Author:	Evil and Chaos [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
Each of the Obliterator's abilities when taken individually doesn't look all that scary. Put together they may for just about the best infantry unit in the whole game, one that's had to be hit repeatedly with the nerf bat to balance it.

Author:	Jaggedtoothgrin [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
i dunno, the hydras arent fearless with a 4+ RA, and dont teleport. and 15 dice is a massive psychological deterant. not a whole lot is likely to be willing to fly through either, but it takes a lot more to supress, let alone actually kill, the obliterators.

Author:	PitFiend [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
Jaggedtoothgrin wrote: i dunno, the hydras arent fearless with a 4+ RA, and dont teleport. This is true. But, 6 of them costs 40 points less than 4 oblits, 2 of them will be Fearless, and they do have twice the movement rate. (Yes, I'd rather the formation of 4 Oblits, even though I know they'd just get nickelled-and-dimed until broken with blast markers if I did try and use them.)

Author:	Steve54 [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
Proposed changes CORE IW Co - Cult Marines removed from upgrades Armoured Assault - Predators added to upgrades SIEGE SUPPORT Super Heavy Co - Stormsword removed SIEGE ASSAULT Obliterator Cult added - 5 Obliterators 425pts Upgrades None Havoc Co added - 4 Havocs with 2 Land Raiders and Lord 300pts Upgrades Havocs, Dreadnoughts, Defilers, Land Raiders Siegehammer Co - reduced to 250pts Dreadnought pack - reduced to 5 for 225 UPGRADES Rhinos - usual unit/space restrictions Oblits+Dreads change to 0-3 Siege Dread to 0-1 UNITS Daemonic Artillery - add Indirect Ordinatus Chaotica - Sonic Disruptor changed to Macro Cannon 90cm 3 BP MW Ignore Cover Indirect - 3xheavy bolters changed to 2x Mars bolters AP5+/AA6+

Author:	Evil and Chaos [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
No indirect fire on the Ordinatus? No price fix for the Stormsword/Decimator? (Decimator is notably better than the Stormsword but they're the same price)

Author:	Steve54 [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
Indirect fire added to Ordinatus SHT -I'm not keen on upping the Decimator price as its 225 in the BL and I don't consider it undercosted at that price. However the Stormsword is noticeably inferior. I'm leaning towards dropping the Stormsword.

Author:	Evil and Chaos [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:01 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
I've always held that the Decimator is probably ~25pts too cheap in the BL list, but I'd at least do the latter then. Upping the initiative rating to 1+ might be worth that 25pt gap under normal circumstances, but not when it brings the unit into the same price band as a Decimator.

Author:	PitFiend [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Iron Warriors 0.2
Steve54 wrote: SHT -I'm not keen on upping the Decimator price as its 225 in the BL and I don't consider it undercosted at that price. However the Stormsword is noticeably inferior. I'm leaning towards dropping the Stormsword. Or drop the cost of the Stormsword? 200 points? I kinda like the Ignore Cover weapons. I think it works along with the other stuff that's going on with that motif. That or replace it with a new SHT. Maybe? Something to mirror the Ordinatus Minorus or somesuch. Maybe something with direct-fire rocket barrages, or the big brother of the Doomblasters.

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