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POLL: Hellblades
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Author:  Steve54 [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:44 am ]
Post subject:  POLL: Hellblades
As every change I make seems to result in me being accused of following EpicUK stats (regardless of which came first) and polls are very popular at the moment I thought I'd get in on the act for nailing down the hellblade.
Author:  frogbear [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
Steve54 wrote:
As every change I make seems to result in me being accused of following EpicUK stats (regardless of which came first)


Fair go chap! If I am wrong, just tell me. :)

As for the vote: tough one. Better range or better AA...

I went for the better AA at shorter range as what Chaos forces need are better air defence, not more 'lucky shots needed from afar' :D

Also better to have a more useful plane in that price range rather than buying an activation.

I hate these polls however. Silent votes do one thing - allow those with private agendas to have a faceless say. So wrong.... I would rather proposals go up and discussed rather than have these donkey vote stations.
Author:  stompzilla [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
Surely the 30 cm option is simply better.

It makes for a cheaper fm, longer range (So greater choice of avoiding AA) and is still 6x shots @ 5+ on CAP or intercept - which is pretty freaking mean.
Author:  frogbear [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
Hmmm

Once again, I forgot about that +1 on Intercept... You make a strong case Mr zilla ;)
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
Quote:
Surely the 30 cm option is simply better.

That's my gut view. That ability to stand-off and not take any AA fire from the various bombers/Thunderhawks you'll be intercepting outweighs losing a pip of to-hit, by my eye, or at least is equal in power.
Author:  Moscovian [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
I voted for C - running over a puppy. Oh wait! Wrong thread.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
You know. Compare the Wh40k weapons of the Thunderbolt with the Epic non-true stat version and you will get this:

Thunderbolt
40k = Epic
2 x Twin Autocannon = Storm Bolters 15cm AP4+/AA5+
Twin Lascannon = Multilaser 30cm AP5+/AT6+/AA5+
2 x Hellstrike Missiles = Underwing Rockets 30cm AT4+

Now do the same with the Hell Blade and you will get this:

Hell Blade
40k = Epic
2 x Twin Autocannon = Storm Bolters 15cm AP4+/AA5+
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
Well, technically BL thats 2 reaper autocannon :)
Aircraft do have a problem in epic with the same name same stats as already they tack on AA and the platform is just too different from a ground unit.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
No. Reaper Autocannons have a shorter range than Twin Autocannons (36" than 48" = 30cm than 45cm).
The Storm Blade has 2 x Twin Autocannon in Wh40k NOT 2 x Reaper Autocannons.

And 2 x Twin Autocannons on aircrafts are miraculously transformed into Storm Bolters as you can see with the Thunderbolt.
Author:  Morgan Vening [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
The_Real_Chris wrote:
Well, technically BL thats 2 reaper autocannon :)
Aircraft do have a problem in epic with the same name same stats as already they tack on AA and the platform is just too different from a ground unit.

Even then, you get some that are same name, same platform, different stats, like the Heavy Bolters on the Thunderhawk. Two get 30cm in a limited arc, and the other two are 15cm.

Morgan Vening
Author:  BlackLegion [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
Wider Fire Arc reduces the range of AA shots. I did cover that in a thread about aircraft stats ages ago :D
Author:  Ginger [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
Hmm, Air weapons stats are notorious for being 'overpowered', so in effect they have all been toned down. I suspect that has in turn resulted in other weapons being substituted to be more acceptable to the purists (though perhaps not all - - BL? ;) )
Author:  BlackLegion [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
Then rename the Thunderbolts Storm Bolter to uhmmm Reaper Autocannon :D
Author:  mnb [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Hellblades
wouldn't it be better to ask, which is more chaos-like? surely being up close is more there style, so 15cm would be the best choice
Author:  Simulated Knave [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:49 am ]
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I'd concur with mnb.
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