Faction rule doesn't exist in Red Corsairs too. But there are 5 different named formations of Daemon Engines and mention their Initiative in the header is a bit space consuming
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| Author: | frogbear [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Defilers and Initiative |
With the most recent post by Steve54 on the LatD and the BL list, I noticed that Defilers are to be counted as a 3+ Initiative. Seeing the threads were locked, I guess I have to ask in a different thread - hence this one. If I am not mistaken, we now have a Chaos list that has: Black Legion Initiative 1+ for troops Initiative 2+ for Daemon Engines Initiative 3+ for Defilers LatD Initiative 3+ for troops and Defiler Engines Initiative 2+ for Daemon Engines 1. Why are Defilers so different to Daemon Engines? 2. Why are defilers in the LatD list? IMO they do not really fit in the non-marine backdrop. 3. Is it really necessary for the BL list to have 3 different initiavive ratings? 4. What has brought about the change to initiative? Finally, will the Cult lists have to comply with adding a 3+ initiative to their lists or is it believed that they are more controlled in these forces to the whim of a central 'God'? |
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| Author: | frogbear [ Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Defilers and Initiative |
Hena wrote: Where did the 2+ for Demon Engines come from? And what are you counting in Demon Engines? There is a thread about it. Not going to look for it now but Daemons engines (which include defilers) were made 2+ init. Steve54 contacted me already and I am sure he will come out with something soon-ish |
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| Author: | frogbear [ Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Defilers and Initiative |
Hmm. Probably My recommendation became that all Daemon engines are 3+ with Cult lists always having the +1 to Initiative (therby 2+ Initiative) due to fulfilling the factions rule. Rather than list Daemon Engines as 3+ in the Cult lists, it would be preferable to have them simply list 2 sets of initiative without a factions rule needing to be inserted. So 1+ for *blah* and 2+ for *blah* and Daemon Engines. Although it makes sense as I am looking at it now, the initial post about the changes had me confused and asking questions. It is easy to see something as a person who knows the lists, yet I am always looking at how a new 'gamer' to Epic:A will see things and whether it will be confusing. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Defilers and Initiative |
Faction rule doesn't exist in Red Corsairs too. But there are 5 different named formations of Daemon Engines and mention their Initiative in the header is a bit space consuming
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Defilers and Initiative |
Hmmm would create very long names. Perhabs i add a separate section for Daemon Engines and/or Cult forces/allies. |
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| Author: | Jaggedtoothgrin [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Defilers and Initiative |
or just add a "*for the purposes of this list, daemon engines refer to the following units: blah blah blah" to the page somewhere. shouldnt take too much space up, and you can move it away from the header if you so wish |
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| Author: | Steve54 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Defilers and Initiative |
After consulting varios people I'm leaning towards- BL - everything 2+ initiative so, in practice, 1+ when not within hated range and 2+ for air+space LatD - all 3+ except air units 2+ so, in practice, all 2+ when not within hatred range. Then other lists can go with what suits them best - I know Frogbear is happy with 2+ for daemon engines and I think thats fine having a 1+/2+ split un his army with the number of units affected and also it fits with the fluff+feel of the amry. As with Emperors children. Whilst 1+ across the board is more suited for a less splintered/undisciplined army like TS. |
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| Author: | frogbear [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Defilers and Initiative |
Thanks Steve Can you please confirm that (potential) 1+ initiative Daemon engines will be priced more that the 2+ engines? Can you please give an update on the BL Defiler costing (at 2+/1+) as opposed to the LatD (3+/2+). At present you have BL defilers at 250 points which seems a little cheap for me when they are a 1+ unit (as the factions rule would rarely take effect I would think). Just trying to gain the parity while working on the changes. Thanks |
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| Author: | Steve54 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Defilers and Initiative |
They will be increased in price , I'll edit the BL+LATD thread tomorrow |
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| Author: | Steve54 [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Defilers and Initiative |
BL+LATD list thread updated with initiative changes. Cult lists can proceed with daemon engine initiative to suit their list. |
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