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Author:  frogbear [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:40 pm ]
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While we wait for the appointment of the Chaos AC to go through, I was interested in people's feelings regarding the Chaos Warlord Titan otherwise being referred to as the Banelord Titan.

First off, I cringe every time I see Banelord titan in a Chaos list other than a Khorne list. Reason? It was a Khorne only titan when it was brought out. Due to GW not continuing the fluff with the other cults, it remained that Khorne was the only one to get such a named titan. So effectively all other chaos lists are using a Khorne flavoured titan.

I would like to see a different named titan for other cult forces and for the Black Legion also. Being Chaos, they can all be different, or all very similar, however they should not be all the same should they?

I don't know what other people think, or whether other people actually care, but I thought I would throw it out there.

Anyone have other ideas of what titans Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh could have and what they could look like or be arrayed with?

I will leave you with some of my thoughts (none of which have been thought through by the way):

Black Legion and other Chaos lists : A warlord Titan close to Imperial standards
Death Guard: Something bloated and nasty - More shooty and less CC - possibly with more barrage and disrupt weaponry in favour of the removal of the tail etc.
Slaanesh: CC and Sound orientated (much like in the Mechanicum book) with disrupt ability
Tzeentch: More shooty orientated than CC

So, any thoughts out there, because this guy calling himself "Khorne" is getting pretty 'nancy' about getting his Titan back   :devil:
Author:  Dobbsy [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:10 pm ]
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Well with the Black Legion list Banelord I'm not too concerned. It is BL after all and they can use any god-based gear. I wouldn't mind different names for the other legion Titans though as it's a bit more fluffy.
Author:  frogbear [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:27 pm ]
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Well Morgan just gave me some ideas over the phone:

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Nurgle : More artillery based & less CC

Slaanesh: More FF Based & some CC

Tzeench: More direct fire and reduce CC
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As for Black legion, I have to disagree - yes they could share and use these, however titans such as a Banelord are rare examples. I would think that they should be limited to the cult lists.

It was Grandma Wendy being lazy that we have the Banelord set as standard. Wouldn't it be reasonable for the Black legion to have a standard that is separate from the rest. Theirs could be generic or possibly have a choice (limited mind you) in armament.

Like I stated, just throwing it out there
Author:  GlynG [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:37 pm ]
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I'd like BL to have standard chaos titans, more similar to imperial ones (like the W40k ones are), though with whatever weapons seem appropriate (E&C has done this in his Vraks list). Banelord and other special titans should be reserved for God-specific lists.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:31 pm ]
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Red Corsairs have a Chaos Warlord with different weapons than the Imperial Warlord
Death Guard list has the Plaguelord
Emperors Children list has the Painlord
Thousand Sons list has the Augur (and Diviner = Reaver and Oracle = Warhound quivalents)
Author:  Chroma [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:55 pm ]
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Quote: (frogbear @ Dec. 19 2009, 13:40 )

First off, I cringe every time I see Banelord titan in a Chaos list other than a Khorne list. Reason? It was a Khorne only titan when it was brought out. Due to GW not continuing the fluff with the other cults, it remained that Khorne was the only one to get such a named titan. So effectively all other chaos lists are using a Khorne flavoured titan.

To me that's covered over with the flavour text:

Quote: 

The other Ruinous Powers are also known to create
twisted versions of the Banelord as well. The Nurgle
Plaguelord, Slaanesh Painlord and Tzeentch Warplord
Titans are malevolent cousins to the Banelord, all built for
the same dark purpose.


In the Black Legion list, which is supposed to be the "generic" Chaos Marines, they get single Titan variant of each class, mirroring the Imperial lists; I don't think there's anything "cringe-worthy" about it.

So, when someone writes up a list, and have a Tzeentch-marked heavy battle Titan, they could just write "Warplord", would that soothe you, Froggy?   :laugh:
Author:  Ghudra [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:24 pm ]
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From the Citadel Journal, Tzeentch also had the winged Titan, Skylok. :oo:

Food for thought I spose.
Author:  Warmaster Nice [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:30 pm ]
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Quote: (Ghudra @ Dec. 19 2009, 18:24 )

From the Citadel Journal, Tzeentch also had the winged Titan, Skylok. :oo:

Food for thought I spose.

Both Skylok and Bubonis are in the NEtEpic Gold Chaos book as well. (Luckily) I wasn't able to find anyone with pictures of a Skylok model. It is a terrible design IMO  :upside:
Author:  Chroma [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:42 pm ]
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Quote: (Warmaster Nice @ Dec. 19 2009, 17:30 )

Both Skylok and Bubonis are in the NEtEpic Gold Chaos book as well. (Luckily) I wasn't able to find anyone with pictures of a Skylok model. It is a terrible design IMO  :upside:

Are those "character" Titans or "common" ones?
Author:  BlackLegion [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:54 pm ]
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Characters. They are unique.
Author:  Honda [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:10 pm ]
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I'll offer this up as a possible extension of a Tzeentch war engine, but I always thought it would be kind of cool to have some sort floating towers kind of titan (maybe someone already thought of this, it's sounding familiar) with super magical zapper long range beams, skimmer, maybe teleport.

Anyway, instead of something typically ponderous, it would be somewhat thematic for Tzeentch to field something a little more ethereal.

My two yen...
Author:  BlackLegion [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:26 pm ]
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As the Warp Palace?
Author:  eypyeash [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:48 pm ]
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Black Legion's list should be more baseline Warlord, yep. Ya can call it something else, like the Warhound swapping to a Feral, maybe give it an upgrade possibility like a tail or a havoc launcher, but not both.

Whenever the KSons get an overhaul, I'm really hoping the "Fire" and "Ray" weapons get split up a bit more, if only in title. You've got all the colors of a rainbow to work with... red fire, blue fire, purple fire. It all does totally different stuff in the WHFB world, and it feels better that way. But that's a fight for another year.
Author:  frogbear [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:37 am ]
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Quote: (Chroma @ Dec. 20 2009, 00:55 )

In the Black Legion list, which is supposed to be the "generic" Chaos Marines, they get single Titan variant of each class, mirroring the Imperial lists; I don't think there's anything "cringe-worthy" about it.

Wow Chroma, work for GW lately? You are quoting dogma  :laugh:

Yes the class of Titan can mirror, yet the chaos cults all have different 'signatures' if you will, and frankly, the current borrowing of the Banelord is just boring. Now if they had a choice of choosing 1 Warlord class titan from amongst 5 variants (as silly as that may sound) - 1 for each chaos power + the imperial version - that would make more sense to me. My personal preference, as mentioned by GlynG and BlackLegion is for the Black Legion to follow suit with all the other ideas on these lists which is away from the Banelord titan as a choice.

Quote: 

So, when someone writes up a list, and have a Tzeentch-marked heavy battle Titan, they could just write "Warplord", would that soothe you, Froggy?   :laugh:


No, because that is missing the point. The titans would not differ other than in name and that is just lazy.

Cheers dude   :yay:
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