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World Eaters Latest Updates,

Latest update for public play release V2.4

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World Eaters V1.0- Last Updated 22/09/2009
This latest update will test the World Eaters list with changes to remove Fearless from the majority of the base units in a World Eater force. Incorporates one of the largest changes in the list since v0.7.
World Eaters Heresy/Post Heresy List v0.9.1 - Last Updated 29/08/09
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This list is to represent the World Eaters as a warband force after the Battle of Skalathrax. The warbands are what is envisioned would come out of the Eye of Terror to attack the worlds of the Imperium.
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Hi Everyone
I would like to introduce the World Eater list that Morgan and I have been working on. This is a continuation from Lord Inquisitor's V0.3 list that he has kindly given us permission to work from.  

Our list emcompasses some great ideas from other army lists to address some concerns that have come up in previous discussions and we believe that we have got to a stage of a competative and challenging army (to both make a list for and to compete against).

Our goals were as follows:
1. To only have one special rule (Blood Rage) and for the rest of the list to fit in with all other standard rules.
2. It was also important that anything in the list was comparable to the Black Legion list, and anything that changed there could be changed here.
3. There were to be no restrictions to forces as we wanted to 'weed out' any imbalances within the army (barring Supreme Commander option).
4. To keep the World Eater list competative, balanced, and as true to 'fluff' as we could while taking the liberty to add a little bit of our own flare.
Up to this point, we feel we have met all the above goals.

My personal goal is to get 20 playtests with our list (with different players and forces) in before the end of the year. Always happy to have others help out with this goal.
Regards...
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Abridge abridged version - Rarrgh

Just to be funny - does the phrase 'keeper of chains' and keeper of skulls' make you think of the wardrobe department? :)

Plasma pistols

A range of several hundred meters seems a bit much for a pistol. Any chance of making it a normal plasma gun? Or something else that isn't the ER pistol?

Blood rage

Engage action or Shoot at -1 rather than a Hold action.

This is you realise just a boost? Normally you get to fire, move or rally. Instead you get to engage, move (as thats what an engage is when no-one else is around), or fire at -1. If it wasn't an in your face army this would be a problem, however as it is and because its init 1+, failed rolls will most of the time happen in places where you want to engage normally. Indeed it removes the biggest risk an engage army has and one of the biggest defences against it.

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I would have prefered a regular chaos marine but tis your list :)

I personally would love to try dropping 20 fearless units with dreadclaws :)

Oh I think you should drop the feral - to have comparable units int he list and as it remains quite nifty it would be a shame to see them dominate 1/3 of the army.

Also I suggest a Reaver with a more assaultish load out? A boost for the FF would go well to support the berserkers. Could even give it a bit of AA. Something like tail, head, powerfist, gatling blaster, Carapace Multilasers, then doomburner/some other TK weapon/las burner.




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Battle Reports so far:

Marines deafeat the World Eater force:
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums/ ... 84;t=16292

Tau deafeat a World Eater force with War Engine buddies:
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums/ ... 84;t=16293

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Abridge abridged version - Rarrgh


I know, but E&C likes it and I respect his opinion, so I aim to please   :;): ...and my England can be bad sum times.

Just to be funny - does the phrase 'keeper of chains' and keeper of skulls' make you think of the wardrobe department? :)

We had some fun with this one. The Keeper of Skulls is like the Chaplain who keeps the traditions of the warband. The Keeper of Chains was to have a weapon of chains yet also a rope (much like the short story of Angron and his body-rope, where he spills his own blood (in the form of deep scars) in supplication to keep the Daemons on the battlefield. We just made it up today so we have a bit to work on with this one.


A range of several hundred meters seems a bit much for a pistol. Any chance of making it a normal plasma gun? Or something else that isn't the ER pistol?

We are eager to give these guys a 15cm shooting range (no matter how small it is) to fit in with the Bloodrage rule. Lord Inquisitor had this in his list and we believe it has alot of merit. These guys do have Plasma pistols and are not afraid to use them. I will place your observation up for our next session for discussion to see if we can find another weapon choice.

This is you realise just a boost? Normally you get to fire, move or rally. Instead you get to engage, move (as thats what an engage is when no-one else is around), or fire at -1. If it wasn't an in your face army this would be a problem, however as it is and because its init 1+, failed rolls will most of the time happen in places where you want to engage normally. Indeed it removes the biggest risk an engage army has and one of the biggest defences against it.

We believe that any rule that forces a move to have the army lose a game after 3 hours of play is wrong and goes against the flow of the ruleset. One big thing with the army is removing the BM after you attain them. Removing the ability to remove blast markers is an important flaw we find as you do not always wish to charge or shoot. This rule (we believe) allows the force to function in accordance with the spirit of how we see the rules. I found today that my opponent was relying on me to fail activations and charge rather than shoot or double move. This would have assisted his strategy without destroying mine (as the World Eaters). Like I say however, all is open to change or discussion, so I have tabled this as well.


I would have prefered a regular chaos marine but tis your list :)

No idea what this means. You able to expand a little more?   :p

Thanks for replying TRC. Always happy to get the feedback

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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 31 Jul. 2009, 12:39 )

I personally would love to try dropping 20 fearless units with dreadclaws :)

Oh I think you should drop the feral - to have comparable units int he list and as it remains quite nifty it would be a shame to see them dominate 1/3 of the army.

Also I suggest a Reaver with a more assaultish load out? A boost for the FF would go well to support the berserkers. Could even give it a bit of AA. Something like tail, head, powerfist, gatling blaster, Carapace Multilasers, then doomburner/some other TK weapon/las burner.

Morgan dropped 16 units with Dreadclaws vs Marines and was (albeit unlucky), driven to breaking and losing the game. It is a good tactic though.

The main point of this version is to test the most outlandish formations so as we can find out what is potentially 'broken' and fix it. We do not believe in limiting units so we have to find what is the best balance point for each entry. I am sure more game tests will assist us with this.

Dropping the feral? Hmm. The max you can take is 3 in a 3000 point force. That does not seem too powerful to me. You are also giving up alot of flavour in the force by taking them. I may take 3 in a future game to see what happens...

Some good ideas with the Reaver. Once again, on the 'To Look At' list

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Quote: (frogbear @ 31 Jul. 2009, 12:44 )

Abridge abridged version - Rarrgh


I know, but E&C likes it and I respect his opinion, so I aim to please   :;): ...and my England can be bad sum times.

Noting to do with english - was just my abridged version of the abridged list :)
I would have prefered a regular chaos marine but tis your list :)

No idea what this means. You able to expand a little more?   :p


Instead of the fearless, CC chosen I would have preferred a regular forlorn hope stated formation. Chosen perhaps because they have worked out how to use heavy weapons and tactics.

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Dropping the feral? Hmm. The max you can take is 3 in a 3000 point force. That does not seem too powerful to me. You are also giving up alot of flavour in the force by taking them. I may take 3 in a future game to see what happens...

It nothing to do with balance, just its the same 1/3 choice as many black legion armies. The lord of battles fills a similar niche so why have it? Helps the list be more distinct.




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Quote: (frogbear @ 31 Jul. 2009, 12:56 )

Dropping the feral? Hmm. The max you can take is 3 in a 3000 point force. That does not seem too powerful to me. You are also giving up alot of flavour in the force by taking them. I may take 3 in a future game to see what happens...

It nothing to do with balance, just its the same 1/3 choice as many black legion armies. The lord of battles fills a similar niche so why have it? Helps the list be more distinct.

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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 31 Jul. 2009, 13:06 )

Instead of the fearless, CC chosen I would have preferred a regular forlorn hope stated formation. Chosen perhaps because they have worked out how to use heavy weapons and tactics.

I have a few references how these warbands have thrown away such things as heavy weapons. Hence I would think their use of war/daemon engines fullfill this role for them.

Such weapons are so cowardly to their whole belief of the warrior enterring combat so maybe it is better for daemons and 'robots' to handle this role.

The whole aspect of the Chosen are the veterans who could also be the possessed, and as I have said before, I always picture the opening scene from Conan how the scout arrived at the village first to stand (squat) on the rock.

Also, I never did like the name 'Forlorn Hope'.  :disagree:

I (or others) are yet to use this unit so I will give it a few playtests before reviewing them.  :agree:




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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 31 Jul. 2009, 13:07 )

It nothing to do with balance, just its the same 1/3 choice as many black legion armies. The lord of battles fills a similar niche so why have it? Helps the list be more distinct.

That is an interesting point. Leave it with me.

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Just had a look at the army's for the battle reports and noticed one of the 3k World eaters army had about 2k worth of Warengines is the norm,and/or other lists able to do this.

As stated before I have not really looked at the other chaos lists.

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Quote: (Blish @ 31 Jul. 2009, 13:20 )

Just had a look at the army's for the battle reports and noticed one of the 3k World eaters army had about 2k worth of Warengines is the norm,and/or other lists able to do this.

As stated before I have not really looked at the other chaos lists.

8v)

The Lord of Battles can be bought as a Support choice rather than a Titan Choice.

This appears to have been standard in most World Eater lists. I think this is because they are not a part of the allies.

They are good, however no fields really make these guys susceptible.

If you want Blish, we should have a game. You can take the World Eaters if you wish or go against them.

If you take them, make sure you make the 'Killer' list so we can see what stands out as 'glaringly too powerful' or 'needs a review'.

Shall we say next Thursday?




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Quote: (Blish @ 31 Jul. 2009, 13:20 )

Just had a look at the army's for the battle reports and noticed one of the 3k World eaters army had about 2k worth of Warengines is the norm,and/or other lists able to do this.

As stated before I have not really looked at the other chaos lists.

8v)

The Lord of Battles can be bought as a Support choice rather than a Titan Choice.

This appears to have been standard in most World Eater lists. I think this is because they are not a part of the allies.

They are good, however no fields really make these guys susceptible.

If you want Blish, we should have a game. You can take the World Eaters if you wish or go against them.

If you take them, make sure you make the 'Killer' list so we can see what stands out as 'glaringly too powerful' or 'needs a review'.

Shall we say next Thursday?

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Quote: (frogbear @ 31 Jul. 2009, 13:24 )

Shall we say next Thursday?

Sure np

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Look in the properties on the pdf files : "Title : Grey Knights" !  :p

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Quote: (Flogus @ 31 Jul. 2009, 13:37 )

Look in the properties on the pdf files : "Title : Grey Knights" !  :p

No idea how that got there other than the word doc being a template from Lord Inquisitor's Grey Knights. Would make sense.

People look at the strangest things!   :p

Any opinion on the list Flogus?




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