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Perhaps the Bloodgors could show up here, but I dropped the other two because, let's face it, all Chaos lists have bikes (which I detest as a concept) and Chosen. This is going back a version or two in the 40K codex, but the Chosen were either terminators or super veterans. So make them the focus of this part of the list.
Can I just clarify:
Chosen: Are you advising the full removal of the Jump Pack/Scout element that assists troops to get into CC? (They are also Daemons as signified by the Invulnerable). Discuss more when I am sure you know what you are advising removing... ÂÂ
Again, to be consistent with the "carnage" theme, I envision the WoE not scouting out where the best opportunities
are, but landing and then moving to where the greatest potential for carnage is possible. I think the
a natural example might be a plague of locusts.
Jump packs are an excellent ability for getting into carnage sooner, but there doesn't seem to be much
support fluff-wise for this ability later in the history of the WoE.
So if the proposal isn't too drastic (and it may be), then there would be: Berzerkers, Chosen
as Terminators, Bloodgors, and then possibly lesser warband remnants who have not yet been elevated to
Berzerker or Terminator "status".
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I see the daemonic Support Engines. Do you envision then removing the Daemonic Assault Engines
(and models) such as the Tower of Skulls etc or was it an oversight?
It was my intent, and again this might be too drastic of a change from your perspective, to drop the
iconic older assault engines. They are in LatD, (BL?) and would be duplicative. The later lists would
use Defiler variants, Blood Slaughters, etc., though the assault engines could be used as counts as. I'm
not trying to hose everyone's army over as far as what is in their collection, just refine what constitutes
the WoE.
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No Predators?!! Wow!. I never saw that one coming. They do dish out AT hits for an army that may not
otherwise be able to effectively make AT shots. As for the dropping of Daemons, I think TRC will have
an opinion on that as he believes World Eaters are more Daemonic that most other showings of later
Khorne Warbands. I will place all these aside for consideration and discussion as well - nothing is
ignored.
Yes, no Predators. Again, everyone has them, but also it seems to me to be much more thematic that
enemy armor is engaged vs. shot at range, suppressed via barrages vs. pinpoint attacks. Again, I see
the WoE as a bludgeon, not a rapier.
Also, with the Transport upgrade, LR's are available for AT work, but again are part of the warband.
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..and that Stalker. Does that one need it's own thread?
Stalkers: I like the concept, especially the modeling possibilities of a Defiler body armed with 2 x
twin auto-cannons. Since I am advocating the removal of the Hellblades and the reasonable expectation of
competent air assets, it seems natural to me to open up the AA slot by including either the Stalker or
a Khornate version of the Desecrator, which if left up to my own devices, would still be modeled on a
Defiler chassis. Others could put something similarly armed on a rhino chassis. Anyway, I see AA as
a ground based asset, not air for the WoE.
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That is a well thought out view. It was my initial view last year (back in February I think), and then
I came to understand in playtests that the army was very 1-dimensional. Like I stated, nothing is
ignored however. Noted.
Fair enough. As stated earlier, I'm just sharing my vision within your vision. As for the most part, I
am able to build my vision within the list, I am for the most part content.
For example, my current list I am building the army to is:
1 Berzerkers Retinue 8 x Berserkers 225
Onslaught 4 x Slaughterers 200
Skull Lord 1 x Skull Lord 50
2 Berzerkers Retinue 5 x Berserkers 225
Bloodpack 3 x Slaughterfiends 150
Assault Walkers 2 x Defilers 150
Skull Lord 1 x Skull Lord 50
3 Chosen (Jump) 1 x Lord Upgrade, 4 x Chosen 200
4 Terminator Retinue 1 x Lord Upgrade, 5 x Terminators 500
Scorpion King 1 x Dprince 100
Teleport Teleport 50
5 Juggers 5 x Juggernauts 250
6 Brass Scorpions 2 x Brass Scorpion 350
7 Support Weapons 4 x Doomblasters 275
8 Hell Talon Squadron 2 x Hell Talons 200
* Note that I still have the jump Chosen in there
So 8 activations, I still have 25 pts I need to spend somewhere. If I dropped the Chosen, I'd
probably try to pick up some Bloodgors.
Also, I'm not trying to get everyone to play how I play, just show my perspective. This is just
one perspective. I'd still want to be able to take Space assets, do the Dreadclaw tango, take
Titan assets, etc.
I too, do not want a one dimensional list. I just think that given where the list is from a
developmental stage, you have the opportunity to craft it in a way that gives it its own
identity vs. a red Chaos army.
Now, before your blood pressure goes up over the last statement, I am in NO way trying to infer
that your list is "red" Chaos. It is not. It is a very cool list and very flavorful. I like it a
lot. I'm investing a significant amount of time and resources to build an army with your
list.
I'm just trying to let you see your list through my eyes.
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Which Scorpion is appropriate?
DC3 all the way baby! I'm not sure what the smaller, more vulnerable version gets you, especially if the
assault engines are left in. They are sort of duplicative to my way of thinking at this time. Not
completely, but in some ways.
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I think TRC will have an opinion on that as he believes World Eaters are more Daemonic that most
other showings of later Khorne Warbands.
This is Chaos, right? We're bound to have differing opinions. It's not like the Tau where everyone
is united in their perspective to produce a focused and consistent view. LOL.
I think where TRC and my perspectives may diverge has to do with historical exposure to Chaos. In the
early days of fluff, the mortal warriors were more closely integrated with the daemonic forces. Without
going into all the potential (e.g. business) reasons why GW has changed their tack on this, the
daemonic have been segregated from the mortal. So my perspective on that is trying to allow for that.
Doesn't mean that you have to adopt that perspective, which I know you know, I'm just saying that I
acknowledge it and try to reflect that in my playstyle and list creation.
So, hopefully that helps clarify some of the thoughts I was quickly trying to get down and perhaps it
will provide some food for thought.
Either way, I'm still building my army ÂÂ
Cheers,
Wow!. I never saw that one coming. They do dish out AT hits for an army that may not otherwise be able to effectively make AT shots. As for the dropping of Daemons, I think TRC will have an opinion on that as he believes World Eaters are more Daemonic that most other showings of later Khorne Warbands. I will place all these aside for consideration and discussion as well - nothing is ignored.
