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Author:  Laylo [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:48 pm ]
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Hi guys!

I'm new to the forums(though been playing other GW systems for over 11 yrs :whistle: ), though I have been reading through the forums for the past few weeks. Impressed by Onyx's Iron Warrior army I'm planning on playing them as the fluff of Perturabo suits me just fine.

Are there any iron warrior lists? I cannot find the mentioned Steve's army list, and I only found the BlackLegion's one (Storm of Iron). Just curious if there are any other ones and/or is there any possibility to get a link to Steve's.

I would like a good Iron Warrior list with a strong Undivided feel to it (not so much focus on daemonic engines), although I realize there are/can be some khorne oriented IW (even in WD256 Index Astartes - only Khorne Aspiring Champions and Khorne berzerkers could be picked in a IW army, no other cult).

PS. if there aren't any I guess I will try to make one - I don't play in tournaments so my friends won't care. A simple question:
- How much points should I add per unit taken for example from Imperial Guards (basils ;)) to grant the formation a higher, space marine initiative value? 25?

PS2. Love the forums and good to see a solid, mature community connected with a GW game. A rare sight indeed  :sigh:

EDIT:
Added Steve's list with the changes mentioned later on in the thread. Latest changes can be downloaded below.

EDIT2 - 09.10.09
Corrected all the typos and small mistakes. Added the 1 heavy flamer to the termiantors, changed basilisk armour to 6+.

EDIT3 - 10.21.09
       Version 2.0 Changes:
o Changed stats to match the Black Legion changes: Aerospace units, Obliterators, Defilers, Dreadnought Armour (3+), Predator FF (4+) and the Chaos Stalker.
o Removed Basilisk formation. Added the Grand Artillery Battery and Basilisks as an upgrade to the Armoured Detachment and the Iron Warriors Siege Detachment.  All artillery formations have their initiative changed to 2+ to represent the being crewed by non-Astartes.
o Changed the cost of a Siege Dreadnought to 85 pts.
o Removed the Chaos Space Marine upgrade.
o Added the Iron Warriors Assault Detachment
o Naming Changes

Possible changes for the future:
o Adding the Chaos Harbringer Bomber
o Corvus Assault pod armed titans.
Author:  Steve54 [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:28 pm ]
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I've just got hold of a hard copy of my list - as the document is on a broken laptop, I'll post it tomorrow
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:27 pm ]
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I'd love a decent Iron warriors list. Them and my siege army could sit in bunkers staring at each other and rolling dice :)
Author:  Mephiston [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:22 pm ]
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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 24 Jul. 2009, 17:27 )

I'd love a decent Iron warriors list. Them and my siege army could sit in bunkers staring at each other and rolling dice :)

Wow, what a game of combined arms, manoeuvre warfare that would be  :shutup:
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:31 pm ]
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Hands up who plays WWI games :)
Author:  Mephiston [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:04 pm ]
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:disagree:



But I have been made aware that there are some theatres in the war that are much more dynamic than the western front.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:07 pm ]
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Yeah but they didn't go BOOM BOOM BOOM and count ten yards gained as a major victory. :))
Author:  Steve54 [ Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:31 am ]
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I tested this quite a bit a while ago but haven't touched it for a while or updated it with the proposed Chaos changes

IRON WARRIORS SIEGE ASSAULT LIST

Initiative 1+ Strategy 4+

As with the Black Legion Character upgrades can only be applied to the core units of a formation. One IW Lord Character must be upgraded to a Warsmith Character. This upgrade is free.

IRON WARRIORS CORE FORMATIONS

IRON WARRIORS GRAND COMPANY                     300
One IW Lord Character upgrade plus 6 Chaos Marines and 2 Havocs

Upgrades - Choas Marines, Chaos Rhinos, Defilers, Havocs, Dreadnoughts, Dreadclaws, Chaos Land Raiders, Chaos Vindicators, Obliterators, Daemon Prince, Siege Dreadnought.

DREADNOUGHT ASSAULT PACK                        300
6 Dreadnoughts or 4 Defilers

Upgrades - Dreadnoughts, Defilers, Siege Dreadnoughts, Obliterators

IRON WARRIORS SUPPORT - 3 per core formation

HAVOC COMPANY                                   200
One IW Lord Character and 4 havocs

Upgrades - Havocs, Chaos Rhinos, Chaos Land Raiders, Dreadclaws, Dreadnoughts, Chaos Vindicators, Obliterators, Defilers

0-1 RAPTOR CULT                                40 Per Raptor
One IW Lord Character and 4-8 Raptors

Upgrades - None

CHAOS TERMINATORS                          65 per Terminator
One IW Lord Character upgrade and 4-6 Chaos Terminators

Upgrades - Dreadnoughts, Defilers, Chaos Land Raiders, Obliterators, Daemon Prince, Siege Dreadnought, Dreadclaws

0-1 FORLORN HOPE per IW GRAND COMPANY          125
4 Chaos Marines with SCOUT

Upgrades - Chaos Rhinos, Chaos Land Raiders, Dreadclaws

IRON WARRIORS ARMOURED COMPANY                 50 Per Chaos Predator or Chaos Vindicator
6 units - any combination of Chaos Predators   75 per Chaos Land Raider
, Chaos Vindicators and Chaos Land Raiders

Upgrades - Defilers

SUPER HEAVY COMPANY                            225 per SHT
1-3 Shadowswords or Baneblades

BASILISK BATTERY                               275
3 Basilisks

Upgrades - Chaos Vindicators, emplacements

HELLFIRE BATTERY                               300
3 Hellfire Cannons

Upgrades - Chaos Vindcators, emplacements

DOOMBLASTER BATTERY                            325
3 Doomblaster Cannons

Upgrades - Chaos Vindicators, emplacements

UPGRADES
Rhinos up to number required to transport units  10
0-4 Chaos Marines                                35
0-2 Obliterators                                 85
0-4 Dreadnoughts                                 50
0-4 Chaos Land Raiders                           75
0-3 Defilers                                     75
Dreadclaws - work as BL pods                     5 per transported unit
4 Havocs                                         150
Daemon Prince                                    50
- replaces the Warsmith Character, only one may be included
0-3 Chaos Vindicators                            50
0-1 Siege Dreadnought                            100
Emplacements - Up to 2 formations can purchase   100per formation
emplacements

LEGIO MORTIS TITANS - up to a third of points may be spent on titans+aerospace units
Banelord                                         800
Ravager                                          625
Feral                                            325

AEROSPACE UNITS
3 Swiftdeaths                                    200
2 Helltalons                                     300
Devastation Class Cruiser                        150
Despoiler Class                                  250

IRON WARRIORS UNITS
All as Black Legion except-
Hellfires - as LatD
Chaos Vindicators - as Space Marine Vindicators
Emplacements - as Siegemasters

SIEGE DREADNOUGHT
AV   15cm   Armour 4+ CC 3+ FF 4+
Siege Hammer (base) assault weapon Extra Attack(+1)(TK)
Breeching Drill (base) assault weapon Extra Attacks(+1)
Heavy Flamer 15cm AP4+ Ignore Cover

Walker, Fearless

IRON WARRIORS LORD
Character

Daemon Weapon (base) assault weapon MW, Extra attack(+1)
Warp bolt (15cm) small arms MW, Extra attack(+1)
Servo arms (base) assault weapon Extra attacks(+2)

IW Lords can be one of three types: Warsmith, Sorcerer Lord or Lord.
All are characters and have the Leader and Invulnerable Save ablities, Sorcerer Lords and Lords have the Commander ability, Warsmiths have the Supreme Commander ability.
Sorcerer Lords have the Warp Bolt weapon, Lords and Warsmiths may choose between the Daemon weapon and the servo arms

DOOMBLASTER
AV   15cm   4+  5+  5+
Doom Cannon 45cm 1BP MW, ignore Cover, Indirect

Invulnerable Save
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:00 am ]
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My biggest comment on that I guess is why certain bits of Imperial kit, like SHTs? And what was the rational behind making the basilisks cheaper than their guard equivalents?

From testing for another list one way to 'tame' basilisks in armies that can really use them is make them a 2 strong 'assault gun' upgrade to a formation. Or even have both.

Also maybe use the 'normal' basilisk (armour 6+), not the armegeddon pattern (armour 5+). The emplacements then make a bit more sense for it!

Would you think changing for a Murder or similar class (just bombardment) would fit better than the devastation? It would limit a drop assault to the battleship however.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:12 pm ]
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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 25 Jul. 2009, 11:00 )

My biggest comment on that I guess is why certain bits of Imperial kit, like SHTs?

When they had their own list in Warhammer 40,000, the Iron Warriors were able to use a selection of Imperial tech. including the Basilisk; It is not unreasonable conjecture to assume that the Iron Warriors would also have access to Imperial Super Heavy Tanks.

And what was the rational behind making the basilisks cheaper than their guard equivalents?

This is confusing ; with the increased Strategy Rating you'd expect their cost to go up, not down.


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For my own comments, the list uses the various 0-x balance 'patches' from the Black Legion list, which should be avoided if possible as they lead to the list only being balanced at circa 3000pts.
Author:  Steve54 [ Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:18 pm ]
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Basilisks are an error - I was trying to prevent the insertion of a piece of toast in the dvd player at the time.

Imperial stuff - as E&C said
Author:  BlackLegion [ Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:17 pm ]
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IRON WARRIORS GRAND COMPANY                     300
One IW Lord Character upgrade plus 6 Chaos Marines and 2 Havocs

Surely with only 40 CSMs it should be named IRON WARRIORS tiny COMPANY?  :laugh:

And for Super-heavy Tanks. GWs Iron Warriors studio army has a Chaos Baneblade for Apocalypse. Also Chaos Baneblade could be the old Fellblade and Chaos Shadowsword could be the old Mammoth. Both feature in the Horus Heresy CCG.
Author:  Laylo [ Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:45 pm ]
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Thanks Steve! the list is exactly what I was looking for. Lots of tanks, steel and iron! I have just a couple of questions:

- What do you think of adding a Chaos Thunderhawk Gunship to the list?  :sulk: would it be unfluffy by any reason?
- Why limit the obliterators to 0-2 in upgrades instead of 0-3?
- The cost of the Siege dreadnought (100pts) - wouldn't 75pts be enough or am I missing sth?
- one thing I noticed in Chaos lists, why can't we ever upgrade a formation with additional units of normal Chaos Space Marines?

As for now I'm going to rewrite this into a document with all the unit info etc, I can post it later on so it can be added in the 'Current Chaos lists' for future generations.

Great idea with the Dreadnought companies   :agree:
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:48 pm ]
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Quote: (Laylo @ 25 Jul. 2009, 19:45 )

- The cost of the Siege dreadnought (100pts) - wouldn't 75pts be enough or am I missing sth?

Well it is really really really good. :))
Author:  dptdexys [ Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:30 pm ]
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Quote: (Steve54 @ 25 Jul. 2009, 13:18 )

Basilisks are an error - I was trying to prevent the insertion of a piece of toast in the dvd player at the time.

:vD
And so it starts,I did warn you Steve.
Time to start moving the ornaments higher.
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