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Black Legion: Where do you put your defilers?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:38 pm 
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Quote: (studderingdave @ 19 Jun. 2009, 19:26 )

where are the alternate rules for the defiler?

The NetEpicArmageddon (NetEA) recommendations can be found here.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:12 pm 
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Quote: (Chroma @ 19 Jun. 2009, 14:38 )

Quote: (studderingdave @ 19 Jun. 2009, 19:26 )

where are the alternate rules for the defiler?

The NetEpicArmageddon (NetEA) recommendations can be found here.

...Which don't include the playtest BL changes, which are here.

It's the sticky at the top of this forum.  :;):

A defiler-only formation is a possibility.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:17 pm 
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Quote: (Lord Inquisitor @ 19 Jun. 2009, 20:12 )

Quote: (Chroma @ 19 Jun. 2009, 14:38 )

Quote: (studderingdave @ 19 Jun. 2009, 19:26 )

where are the alternate rules for the defiler?

The NetEpicArmageddon (NetEA) recommendations can be found here.

...Which don't include the playtest BL changes, which are here.

It's the sticky at the top of this forum.  :;):

A defiler-only formation is a possibility.

All of which is a great reason that I'm looking forwards to seeing the ERC Army Book.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:47 pm 
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wow i like the changes to the defiler as well as the new stats for the desecrator.

how do you think a formation would look in the new BL rules?

demonic engines..........a sinlge formation of up to 6 defilers/desecraters for 75 points a piece. maybe a minimum unit would be 3?

also, im starting to learn how important this website is to the game. im still very new to epic, but im seeing now that playtesting is very key. i plan on testing the defiler changes alot, as i have 6 now.





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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:58 am 
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Well, there is also the Epic UK website if you plan on going to any tournies in the UK :)

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:40 pm 
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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 20 Jun. 2009, 05:58 )

Well, there is also the Epic UK website if you plan on going to any tournies in the UK :)

A- He's not in the UK.

B- EpicUK haven't done anything with the Black Legion list (and they think the Defiler is fine with its 4th edition-inspired stats anyway I think so are unlikely to do anything with it).

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:15 pm 
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evil and chaos,

when is an official update to the BL list due?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:22 pm 
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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 20 Jun. 2009, 05:58 )

Well, there is also the Epic UK website if you plan on going to any tournies in the UK :)

A- He's not in the UK.

B- EpicUK haven't done anything with the Black Legion list (and they think the Defiler is fine with its 4th edition-inspired stats anyway I think so are unlikely to do anything with it).

Epic UK will be addressing the Chaos lists next year - though discussion has already started. The defiler may change but whatever changes do take place will be based upon playtesting and ACTUAL problems with the list.

The present choice for the defiler seems to be between stats that don't reflect the current 40k stats and stats that are of no use at all in epic.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:27 pm 
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my main hope is a defiler formation. i dont really care which ruleset they go with for the defiler.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:37 pm 
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Quote: (studderingdave @ 20 Jun. 2009, 13:15 )

evil and chaos,

when is an official update to the BL list due?

Never.  There will be no more official updates from GW.

All "updates" will be done by and for the various "fan communities" that are working on EPIC.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:56 pm 
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Quote: (Steve54 @ 20 Jun. 2009, 13:22 )

The present choice for the defiler seems to be between stats that don't reflect the current 40k stats and stats that are of no use at all in epic.

I believe they are of use, just not so much in the 'attached to a formation' role. The 'modern style' Defilers do work if given a formation of their own (which I've been playtesting ever since recieving some Otterware little crabes).

With their long range (for a Chaos formation), and excellent speed/cc power, they make great backfield guardians, able to threaten any formation that advances up the board, yet also lay BM's/apply a few kills at range. With their Walker ability they can skulk about in cover, mitigating their poor armour save somewhat with a -1 to-hit penalty.

ACTUAL problems with the list.


It depends whether you define 'non-representative stats' as a 'problem' ; if they're balanced, why change them to more properly reflect what they are in Warhammer 40,000 (the marketing-driven kid's game), hey ho?




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Quote: (studderingdave @ 20 Jun. 2009, 13:15 )

evil and chaos,

when is an official update to the BL list due?

As Chroma says, it's currently not on the radar of anyone who can make official changes; Official updates for the game have concluded, and are unlikely to restart unless something unlikely happens (like a new edition of the game, or FW taking over development).




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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:13 pm 
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so a revision that included a defiler formation would be for casual gaming then?


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Quote: (studderingdave @ 20 Jun. 2009, 14:13 )

so a revision that included a defiler formation would be for casual gaming then?

Well, EPIC is now, by default, a semi-openly developed game, as GW has ceased active work on it and everything is now "fan driven" and "casual".

Since most of the tournaments (if not all!) are also fan-driven, rules they decide to allow are, for all intents and purposes, "official".  The Marine changes the EpicUK team put together are "official* for their tournaments, but might not be accepted at, say, an Australian tourament.

So, one needs to talk to opponents before playing, to prevent any unpleasant surprises and such.

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Quote: (studderingdave @ 20 Jun. 2009, 14:13 )

so a revision that included a defiler formation would be for casual gaming then?

If you're interested in tournaments, then most tournaments have started using a concise set of externally-developed lists.

In the UK they use the EpicUK lists, in France they use the FrenchERC lists, in other places (such as the US) the NetERC lists tend to be used.

So, it's likely that you'll get to use a Defiler Formation in some regard, as long as the tournaments you attend are using one of the plug-on list sets.

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