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Apocalypse Datasheets for Chaos
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:15 pm 
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Only want to inform youthat GW Germany has put up datasheets for several Chaos related vehicles.
According to Warseer they first appeared in the US WhiteDwarf for April. I suppose english version will follow shortly as PDF.

The for Epic relevant datasheets are:
Khorne Lord of Battle
Nurgle Plaguetower
Tzeentch Silvertower
Slaanesh Subjugator Titan
Khorne Banelord Titan
Khorne Doomblaster

Others are a Clonclave (something like Masters of Chapter but for Chaos), Tzeentch Sorcerer Circle, Defiler Assault Detachment (which can combine CC-attacks to destroy terrain) and a Noise Marine Detachment.

If you want i can provide stats if someone will translate the warengines above into Epic. Surely i will if no one will do it :D

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:37 pm 
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Yes these are in the April White Dwarf in the UK.

I'm interested to know if they deviated from the stats we know.

No Knight class vehicles?

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Any piccies or just stats? As much as I hate 40k and Apocalypse I'd still love to see kitbashed 40k versions of those models :D

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:47 am 
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IIRC mostly just stats.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:11 am 
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why do we seem to follow 40k

we are the way we get warlords and revs, ravares we are the ones with the depth lets look at the way we want it not 40k,lgs and fw are dead to epic

we need to be doing new stuff not just necrons and tau

but new alian stuff lets play we have the chaos warp to mess with

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:17 am 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Mar. 25 2008,22:37)
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No Knight class vehicles?

I thught that Subjugators were knight class?

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Subjugators are scout titans. The knights would be Hell Strider, Hell Knight and Hell somethingIforgot.  :laugh:

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(Mojarn Piett @ Mar. 26 2008,10:20)
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Subjugators are scout titans. The knights would be Hell Strider, Hell Knight and Hell somethingIforgot.  :laugh:

Hell Scourge, I think?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:16 pm 
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I'd love to see stats, but if you don't want to translate, I can wait until they are posted.  It will be most interesting to see to what extent they blew off the existing Epic precedents.

Silver Tower stats might even revive my desire to build a big 40K Thousand Sons force.  I'm pretty sure I have all the bits I collected for kitbashing one stuck in a plastic bag somewhere.

Okay, I probably won't.  But it's still cool.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:26 pm 
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Ok. Here we go:

Lord of Battle:
It's a DC5 War Engine. Armed with a Bloodletter Battlehead, a Deathstorm Cannon and a Titan CC-Weapon. Obvioulsy it's a Daemon Engine (so Fearless and Invulnerable Save are mandatory). Armour is 14/14/13 whichis pretty tough. RA4+ at least perhabs with Thick Rear Armour too.
The Bloodletter Battlehead is a 30" Str6 AP3 Heavy5 weapon so i would say it is 30cm AP5+AT6+ in Epic. Perhabs with 2 shots or AP4+/AT5+ with a single shot.
The Deathstorm Cannon is a shorter ranges Gatling Blaster with one fewer shot.
To compare:
Gatling Blaster: 72" Str8 AP3 Ordnance6 (5" Template)
Deathstorm Cannon: 60" Str8 AP3 Ordnance5 (5" Template)

A single shot is identical to a Battle Cannon shot.
I would say Gatling Blaster = 75cm 6 x AT4+/AT4+ and Deathstorm Cannon = 60cm 5 x AT4+/AT4+ but the Gatling Blaster already has stats (60cm 4 x AT4+AT4+) so the Deathstorm Cannon would have 45cm 3 x AP4+/AT4+ i guess. But this is even weaker as the current version the Ravager is armed with.

The Lord of Battle has the similar Crazed rules as the Dreadnought (roll a D6. 1 = can't move or charge, shoots all weapons twice, target of the first shot of each weapon is choice of controlling player the second shot is the opponents choice, 2-5 normal, 6 = move D6" in shooting phase and charge nearest enemy unit)

Banelord:
Stats are the same as the Warlord but has -1 BallistikSkill but +1 WeaponSkill and double the Attacks. Armed with Bloodletter Battlehead, Carapace Mounted Havoc Missiles, Hellstrike Cannon, Doomfist and a Chaos Titan Tail.
He has the same Crazed rules as the Lord of Battle and is also a Daemon Engine.

Havoc Misiles have G24-360" Str7 AP3 and uses the ApoBarr Template with 5 shots.
So i would say it is 120cm 5BP IndirectFire in Epic.

Hellstrike Cannon is G24-360" Str9 AP3 Ordnance2 with 10" Template.
120cm 2BP Macro-weapon, Indirect Fire seems a bit blant. Any other ideas?

Doomfist has 30" Str6 AP6 Heavy10 and is a Titan-CC-Weapon.
So 30cm 4 x AP4+AT4+ AND ExtraAttack (+1) TK(D3) seems right.

The Chaos Titan Tail has 24" Str10 AP2 Ordnance1 which make sit identical to a Demolisher Cannon. It also bestows a single StrD CC-attack inaddition to any other CC-attack the Banelord makes.
So 30cm AP3+/AT4+ Ignore Cover AND Extra-Attack (+1) TK(1) seems ok.

Doom Blaster:
Is a DC3 War Engine Daemon Engine. Armour is the same as a Predator (4+ save in Epic). Strength 10 but only Initiative 1 and 2 Attacks. It is armed with 4 Doom Mortars wich have 12-72" Str7 AP4 and uses the ApoBarr Template with one shot for each mortar.
So it looks like 75cm 4BP WITHOUT IndirectFire in Epic.




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Silver Tower:
It's a DC 2 War Engine Skimmer Daemon Engine. With allaround 12 armour. So i would say 5+ or 4+ Save with Thick Rear Armour in Epic. It and units within 6" count as always being in cover due to Protective Wards.
It's armed with a Beam of Power which has 48" StrD AP2 Heavy1 (45cm MW2+ perhabs with TK(1) in Epic?)and D6 Bolts of Change which have 24" Str8 AP1 Heavy1 (D3 30cm AT5+ shots in Epic?).

PlagueTower:
Is a DC6 War Engine Deamon Engine with allaround 12 armour. So i would say 5+ or 4+ Save with Thick Rear Armour in Epic. It has a transport capacity of 30models (= 6 units in Epic) where 10 models can fire out of it. It also has Str10 and one Attack with Initiative 1. It is infested with Nurglings wich will attack attacking units.
It is armed with two Demolisher Cannons, a PlagueMortar and the same Pus Cannon as the PlagueReaper.
It has the same critical as the PlagueReaper.
The Plague Mortar has G24-72" Str7 AP3 Ordnance1 with 7"Template which ignores cover saves.
So 30cm 1BP IndirectFire, IgnoreCover in Epic seems ok for it.

Subjugator:
It's a DC3 War Engine Walker Daemon Engine. Same armour as a Dreadnought (12/12/10). Pretty good in CC. It is armed with two Tormentor Cannons (same stats as BattleCannons but with 48" range, so 45cm in epic) one twin-linked Blastmaster, a Subjugator Doom Siren and two Hell Slicers (which DON'T count as Titan-CC-weapons, instead they justify the relative high number of attacks = 5 the Subjugator has). It has the same Agile rules as the Warhound.
The Subjugator Doom Siren has the same profile as a Heavy Flamer but uses the big Hellstorm template. 30cm AP4+ in Epic seems ok or perhabs FF-EA which ignore cover?.




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Interesting.  I guess they're just planning to jack up all the non-WE daemon engines to WE status for Apocalypse...

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Yep. Seems so. The only non-war engine daemon engine left will be the Defiler i guess :D

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:24 pm 
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Indeed.

Can't say as I take issue with the stats as presented, most of them are pretty fondly reminicent of their Epic equivilents.

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Except for the Doomblaster, which was just a tough arty pice (weaker than LRs, and forget approaching Baneblade status), I have to agree that they're pretty decent.

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