Quote: (Hena @ Oct. 19 2009, 09:56 )
Quote: (Steve54 @ Oct. 19 2009, 09:51 )
Quote: (Hena @ Oct. 18 2009, 16:47 )
This doesn't help with using fearless formations as blocking formations. Eg. put it between enemy and objective to prevent enemy from moving within 15cm. I still believe the most viable way is to split the formation into fearless and non-fearless sections. Fearless should be smaller percentage eg 25-40% of total units. Thus you have more fearless sure, but it's effect in turn 3 mucking much more limited.
Is this 'blocking' problem actually a problem that happens in games though?
It's the very reason why this thread started in the first place. That and combination of fearless and scout on a unit.
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Eldar could do this with 6 RA fearless units-WG+WL, if you remove fearless from everything except the troops ie cult marines, terminators and bikes,then you get down to equivalent numbers.
But you also will have Guardians there which will ramp up the cost of the formation. Similarly you could get in my update for Death Guard a formation with 6 cult Marines and 4 non cult Marines, but again you are then forced to take those non cult Marines which will cost points.
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With only 6-8 units in an expensive formation I definitely wouldn't choose to try and block (and run and high risk to remain broken) except in the most desperate circumstances - an even then I can't see it would be that difficult to shift. All a player would need is to be prepared to shift them with 2 assaults.
The event is the third turn and either do this or lose kind of situation. That also means that enemy doesn't necessarily have the required extra formation or two which could achieve this as they would need to kill the units with hits.
I've yet to see it actually be a problem in a game or batrep though, what units would be fearless+scout?
Most formations which would be fearless are (or should be) only 4-8 fearless units - with the cost of the formation ramped up with non fearless transports etc. Therefore you are spending comparable costs for similar numbers of fearless units - and eldar players haven't been bloacking with them.
Every time I've played with a cult-marine army then one of the weaknesses has been low activations due to the high cost of fearless units so its quite possible that you will be heavily out activated come turn3 - especially with everything rallying on 4s or 5s. If you do this blocking in turn3 then come turn4 the likelihood is that you are going to lose more heavily when nothing rallies on 5s.
