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(NetEA) Black Legion and LatD

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:30 pm 
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I'm overly tired and off for a very early night shortly, so the battle report and further comments'll have to go up later in the week, maybe Friday night as I have pub, theatre and counselling course the next few nights.


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 Post subject: (NetEA) Black Legion and LatD
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:20 pm 
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Quote: (Chroma @ Feb. 01 2010, 13:05 )

Quote: (Steve54 @ Feb. 01 2010, 09:03 )

At the moment I'm leaning towards reducing the hated range to 15cm

I fully support this idea.

It allows various Factions to work decently on the battlefield, but it show they don't always "play nice" when up close and personal.

I like this too.

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 Post subject: (NetEA) Black Legion and LatD
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:28 pm 
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Personally I'd still scrap the factions rule altogether, but this 15cm idea seems interesting.

It will of course make it an even less used rule than ever though...

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:53 am 
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Quote: (zombocom @ Feb. 01 2010, 21:28 )

It will of course make it an even less used rule than ever though...

The rule has much more significance/effect in the LatD list than in the Black Legion list.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:39 pm 
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Well if 15cm proves to be still a wrench in the gears then we could say that you can only use Commander with your own faction or Chaos Glory/Undivided.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:00 pm 
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Quote: (Hena @ Feb. 02 2010, 16:57 )

the list is finished.

I still have no idea why you think this.

You are currently proposing changes to the codex marine list. Do you honestly believe LaTD is more balanced and finished than marines?

IMHO the only reason there are few complaints and discussions about LaTD is because so few people play it.




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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:20 pm 
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Quote: (Hena @ Feb. 02 2010, 17:42 )

There is a a difference in fine tuning and major surgery (that the revising of Factions cause). I agree that there is little complaints as none play. That also means that most people don't seem to understand exactly how badly LatD is being crashed with the suggestions. Same applies to playing against them as there is little knowledge on how the list plays so few games aren't enough to say much about the list.

I've played a lot of LatD with pure and mixed Factions, and I fully support the Factions change, especially if the range of effect is reduced to 15cm.

Cultists are *SUPPOSED* to be crappy; they should be fractious, hard to control, and unreliable, *especially* when followers of different gods are mixed together!  I *LIKE* that about the army, it's should be challenging to play... but it's not.

The pre-change list always allows you to mix and match the best things as you desire, with no real cost or consequence; that doesn't seem very "chaotic" to me.  I like that if you want the "best" from each Faction, you have to make some tough choices, both in army design *and* on the battlefield.

Again, I know all about crappy initiative values, I often run "shooty" Orks, so I know how frustrating it can be... but playing the odds like that is *fun*, especially when a "plan comes together".

If you want reliability in a cultist army, go "purist", if you want diversity mix-and-match, but realize you're going to have problems.  I don't see that as "crashing" the army at all, I see it as fixing it!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:37 pm 
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As I am painting up the World Eaters at the moment, I have decided to give the LofD a go this Thursday.

I am having trouble with a 3000 point list at the moment....   Not sure if the Factions rule will actually play a part but I will give it a go.  :blush:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:50 pm 
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Well...they could get a +1 or even +2 bonus on their Initiative if they have summoned Daemons and use an Assault action. The presence of the direct servants of their gods would bolster their courage to move out and butcher some "heretics".

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:06 pm 
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Quote: (Hena @ Feb. 02 2010, 20:26 )

Ini 4+ is almost unplayable and not just crappy. This list has very few leaders so removing BMs is hard. This means that most actions are going to be with BMs. Shooty Orks are still able to move with double if needed and most of them are usable in engages in any case.

They're *2+* init, if Undivided or not near another Faction; I don't see that as tough to accomplish with a 15cm range of effect.  Why do you focus on the worst possible situation, near hated and with Blast markers?

Every core formation in list can have *two* leaders in it, if the player so chooses, that's a lot more than many armies.

I'm failing to see how they are "unplayable" with those options.




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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:52 am 
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Can anybody else testing the LatD use the 15cm range for the new all-hated rule to see what effect that has.

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