Given their rarity as models though, would we still be better off using the drop pod rule for those of us less cashed up and for sake of ease?

Couldn't you just stick wings on an old Rhino?    

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Couldn't you just stick wings on an old Rhino

Far as I’m aware Reaver’s proxies are still available and are good value. That makes them less rare than Ravenors, Desecrators, Obliterators, etc.

If you’d prefer to stick to using the just drop pod rules then go ahead - no one’s stopping you – but why should us that want to not work up and playtest more rules for it?

I want to use it this way and would like to see it adopted for the Net-EA Chaos lists, but they need to be tested and balanced.

I would recommend speaking to Lord_Inquisitor about that if that's what you'd like to see.

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I'm surprised he hasn't commented on this thread yet actually.

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Well since the latter is largely impractical for the formation type, it had better be the former.

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Just found the Dreadclaws datasheet in Imperial Armour Apocalypse.

Well the Dreadclaw hasn't a Hover Mode as the Thunderhawk or the Valkyrie in Apocalypse. So it can`t switch between Aircraft and Skimmer.
As the Dreadclaw is a Flyer in Wh40k (and Apocalypse) it should be an Aircraft in E:A.

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Which is completely impractical in the game system, and marginal reasoning at best as it has the ability to land at any time once in play, Ie: it hovers down low then lands.

Check out any picture of a Dreadclaw in Imperial Armour VI (of which there are several), and you will see them hovering around on their end, not flying at speed tilted sideways. Their manueverability inside an atmosphere is clearly not up to the same kind of speeds as Thunderhawks etc.

It is described in the background text on page 157 as "less manueverable in a planet's atmosphere than a purpose-designed aircraft, it can be used to effect re-deployment in the field..."


All of which sounds like a Skimmer to me. It shouldn't be an aircraft just because it has the Flyer rule in Warhammer 40,000 plenty of 'flyers' in Apocalypse are actually skimmers, like the Harridan and the Valkyrie/Vulture.

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If you’d prefer to stick to using the just drop pod rules then go ahead - no one’s stopping you – but why should us that want to not work up and playtest more rules for it?

I want to use it this way and would like to see it adopted for the Net-EA Chaos lists, but they need to be tested and balanced.

From design and description it seems to be more of a reusable rocket than a Skimmer.

And remember on the turn it arrives on the table it HAS to land in the same way as Drop Pods.
Afterwards the Dreadclaw can take of and fly around and land again as any other Aircraft.

It isn't a Skimmer. Skimmers are low altitude high manouverable hovering vehicles.
A Dreadclaw will take of and fly at high speed like a rocket/missile until it reaches its destined landing point where it will probably perform a looping to land.

I just don't see the Dreadclaw stopping in mid air, hovering over the ground, turning to face the disembarkation lid to the ground and then land.
It isn't THAT manouverable.

Actually all your examples have either Hover Mode (Valkyrie/Vulture) or aren`t real Flyers (Harridan). Real Flyers in Apocalypse have to move AT LEAST 36" each per turn. But the Harridan can move UP TO 24".

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Black Legion:
From design and description it seems to be more of a reusable rocket than a Skimmer

Perhaps it would be best represented by removing the deathwind and the scatter -to represent its manoeuvrability

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That would be the easist, I doubt it would require any points adjustment then.

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That would certainly be the easiest solution, but would it be the most interesting?

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