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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:31 pm 
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I mentioned in the playtest changes thread. Got no replys to it.




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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:41 pm 
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Posting #193 in fact! There are stats for the AV Bloodthirster too :)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:50 am 
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Quote: (frogbear @ Nov. 29 2009, 08:48 )

As they said in the movie Jaws: "We're going to need a bigger boat"

Bigger boat purchased

Now the projects can begin



So now I can get back into things that actually produce results   :;):

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:26 am 
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This game was merely a fun game to pit the Blitzkrieg attacks of the World Eaters against the resolute and legendary toughness of the Death Guard. Somehow it just seems right that these two forces combat each other – maybe not per the fluff, but merely for the fact that both are being developed at the same time. It was also the first game where Daemons were extensively tested with the World Eaters. Thanks to TRC who has expressed a desire to see World Eaters use more Daemons, I had him design the World Eater force under the current rules for summoning. It really highlighted just how good Daemons are in an assault situation which will be seen throughout the report.


Version 1.x series of Playtests - 9 Games

- vs Death Guard - as a player vs Blish     World Eaters V1.3.1
- vs Black Legion - as an opponent vs TRC    World Eaters V1.3.1
- vs Tau - as a player vs Morgan   World Eaters V1.3
- vs Marines - as a player vs Trog   World Eaters V1.3
- vs Iyanden - as a player vs Blish   World Eaters V1.2
- vs Imperial Guard - as a player vs LeanonRuss  World Eaters v1.2
- vs Imperial Guard - as a player vs LeanonRuss    World Eaters V1.1
- vs Orks - as a player vs TRC   World Eaters V1.1
- vs Tau - as a player vs Dobbsy   World Eaters V1.0

Version 0.9.1 Playtests - 2 Games
- vs Space Marines - as an opponent vs Blish
- vs Eldar - as a player vs LeanonRuss


Version 0.9 Playtests - 3 Games

World Eaters Post Skalathrax - 3 Games
- vs Feral Orks - as a player vs Blish
- vs Orks - as a player vs Blish
- vs Space Marines - as a player vs Drew


World Eaters Heresy/Post Heresy - Held off for V0.9.1 tests


Version 0.8 Playtests - 4 games
- vs Space Marines - as an opponent vs Morgan
- vs Tau - as a player vs Morgan
- vs Eldar - as a player vs Drew
- vs Feral Orks - as a player vs Blish




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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:43 pm 
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You, good sir, are a methodical juggernaut of army testing!  :sign1:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:45 am 
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Quote: (Ares @ Dec. 16 2009, 04:43 )

You, good sir, are a methodical juggernaut of army testing!

Thanks dude

I do believe if you are going to do something, then do it well. If that means getting methodical, then so be it.

I would not expect anything less from myself.    :yay:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:35 am 
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@Frogbear

Given where you are now in the development cycle, could you comment on a few things:

1. The areas where you think the list is working well

2. The areas where the list still isn't where you'd like it to be

3. The items that are of the most concern

4. The plan going forward

As you are aware of in the Tau forum, we're always having a lot of fun  :glare: and it is helpful to others to do a "State of the Union" sort of thing and see how your vision and your playtest community lines up. As you are probably also aware, the two perspectives don't always line up and if nothing else, many opportunities for engaging discussion can ensue.  :grin:

I've been keeping my eye on this list as it has common units with the Red Corsairs and I wouldn't be surprised if I fiddle with this list for a little bad guy variety every now and then.

Keep up the good work.

Oh and this bears saying, "methodical = good" in my book. Lack of consistency in the development of a list is shall we say...character building.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:35 pm 
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Quote: (Honda @ Dec. 16 2009, 19:35 )

@Frogbear

Given where you are now in the development cycle, could you comment on a few things:

Ok. I will try   :)

Big difference before I start is that I am not an official AC. This has all been the work of myself and Morgan with some great help from people like TRC and newer people that have brought up different thoughts such as Shermo. So while I develop the list, there is very little interest compared to the Tau from the community.

With no Chaos AC providing guidance or hope of an AC-ship, I am quite free and unaccountable compared to an actual AC. I of course am hoping this will change in the future   :whistle:    

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1. The areas where you think the list is working well


World Eaters have always been good at the Drop force. This list keeps that theme. You do not want these guys up close as an opponent. It has been frustrating to see so many assaults lost however due to the fate of the dice. I believe we have done a good job in taking an all Fearless army and making it into something people do not refuse to play.

The Blood Rage rule also captures the base behaviour of the legion with obvious weaknesses in rallying blast markers and gaining air support (although Hellblades are still to be discussed). The beastmenh were a pleasant addition that assist the force to play a ground game and not just the boring Drop/Teleport force. Also not having the 0-1 restrictions that can plague a list should show that the list is balanced for the power it puts out.


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2. The areas where the list still isn't where you'd like it to be


Hellblades. They are probably worth 225 points. Yet like TRC has advised, a force with a Banelord should be able to have 1 set of aircraft. This discussion really needs the Chaos AC to come to the table.

Apart from these, the most recent discussions on the Daemon Engines has convinced me that these need to be more generic. I am currently working on these. By doing this, it will allow me to introduce the standard Brass Scorpions into the list as well. My only wish is to keep the Cannon of Khorne and the Doom Blaster separate from all other Assault Engines.

I would also like to see alternatives to the summoning rules, with Black Legion's ideas of a Host implemented to reduce the cost of Greater Daemons. I am happy to trial such rules, yet it would be good to have a Chaos AC in the discussions as well. I really do not want to waste time on playtests for nothing at this stage of the development.


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3. The items that are of the most concern


1. No active Chaos AC and no light at the end of the tunnel for all the work I and others have put in   :sleep:

2. Daemon Engines. They are a pain in the arse at the moment with my recent change of opinion.   :rock:

3. Also, getting the World Eater Apocalypse list finished. Not sure it will work, but it should be there as an alternative.




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4. The plan going forward


1. Finish 20 playtests
2. Develop the generalised Daemon Assault Engines
3. Develop revised stats for the Daemon Support Engines (Cannon and Doom Blaster)
4. Complete the Apocalypse list
5. Get back in touch with all the assistants to the project to see whether it is worth getting a professional (Raiders) book released)

After all the above, I am going to have some fun with a Khorne List (not World Eaters), some ideas that TRC gave, maybe some work on the Tzeentch (Thousand Sons) list - as the current force list is unviable, and finally a secret squirrel project that I am not going to divulge until I do some homework first before releasing the idea to yet another small niche of the EpicA forum   :blues:

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As you are aware of in the Tau forum, we're always having a lot of fun  :glare: and it is helpful to others to do a "State of the Union" sort of thing and see how your vision and your playtest community lines up. As you are probably also aware, the two perspectives don't always line up and if nothing else, many opportunities for engaging discussion can ensue.  :grin:


Difference is, you hold a position and responsibility. You also have an audience. Without being an AC, this list is done to provide the hobby with something better than what existed before. It also allows me to use the mind which my job does not allow me to do sufficiently   :;):  I thrive off the sleepless nights and half-waking days where my thoughts are all about ideas for a list etc etc. Anything to get me out of the mundane world is a bonus to me.


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I've been keeping my eye on this list as it has common units with the Red Corsairs and I wouldn't be surprised if I fiddle with this list for a little bad guy variety every now and then.


Always welcome to get ideas. The Red Corsairs would deal with Khorne Renegades rather than World Eaters so I hope my future fun projects with a standard Khorne list may offer some ideas to the Red Corsairs in the future.


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Keep up the good work.


Thanks Honda. It is one of the few things I get enjoyment from. I don't think I will ever give it up.

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Oh and this bears saying, "methodical = good" in my book. Lack of consistency in the development of a list is shall we say...character building.


I am sure that if I ever reach the dizzy heights of an AC-ship, I will face alot of character-building moments   :laugh:




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Always welcome to get ideas. The Red Corsairs would deal with Khorne Renegades rather than World Eaters so I hope my future fun projects with a standard Khorne list may offer some ideas to the Red Corsairs in the future.


Looking forward to this :)
And i envy you because you have the actual opportunity to playtest your pet-army. Yes there is Vassal but it isn't satisfying.

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Dec. 17 2009, 00:21 )

Looking forward to this :)

I am not sure if I can add anything, but I will give it a good bash. There was fluff text from the old Realm of Chaos books (Slaves to Darkness most recently) that I wanted to make some use of as a goal. I am not sure if it is not already covered by the Vraks lists, but we shall see.

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And i envy you because you have the actual opportunity to playtest your pet-army. Yes there is Vassal but it isn't satisfying.


I guess that is the benefits of having once belonged to a club with a lot of members, and then having a few of us break away as preferred people we like to hang out with and play against. I put it down to having a great bunch of mates who all have miniatures lying around and just needed an excuse to use, and not sell them   :;):

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Blame my ex-girlfirend that i don't have any gamers in the direct vicinity anymore. But there is hope for next year as one of the german Epic-Battles members moves near the city i life now :)
PLUS i will have a dedicated hobby room effective from april next year too :)

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PLUS i will have a dedicated hobby room effective from april next year too :)

Photos please. You must supply photos when it is done   :agree:

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