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Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 2010

 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:28 am 
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It would be a sad day when an opponent would not allow you to count a Death Wheel as one of the Knights of Perversion (especially if it was scaled to a similar size for the Titan class).

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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:04 pm 
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Hmmm Sonar.... i would rename them to Sirens. The sound of the name has more...allure :)

The fire arcs of the weapons on the Slaanesh Titans gives me a headache. FFA is supposed to be Carapace Mount, FA is supposed to be armmounted. Yet the Reviler is armed with ONE Tormentor with a FA which suggest that he has only one arm or the Tormentor uses up both arm mounts.
And then the Painlord which has both a Tormentor and an Energy Whip.

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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:29 pm 
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Hi BL

Sirens. It does allude to females, and in that case Howling Banshees - hence the reason I went with Sonars. I will see what other names I can find.

Fire Arcs on the Titans: Leave that one with me. I took the data straight from Lord I's work so I really need to do some research and work on reviewing what you have talked about.

Thanks for helping out

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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
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Hmmm Sonar.... i would rename them to Sirens. The sound of the name has more...allure :)

The fire arcs of the weapons on the Slaanesh Titans gives me a headache. FFA is supposed to be Carapace Mount, FA is supposed to be armmounted. Yet the Reviler is armed with ONE Tormentor with a FA which suggest that he has only one arm or the Tormentor uses up both arm mounts.
And then the Painlord which has both a Tormentor and an Energy Whip.


The fixed forward/forward arc carapace/arm distinction is never actually specified in the rulebook though. The arcs are listed in the weapon notes but there is no reason you have to arm-mount the volcano cannon etc
I'd suggest for the EC making ranged weapons a blanket forward arc and CC+tails all-around


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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
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Steve54 wrote:
The fixed forward/forward arc carapace/arm distinction is never actually specified in the rulebook though. The arcs are listed in the weapon notes but there is no reason you have to arm-mount the volcano cannon etc
I'd suggest for the EC making ranged weapons a blanket forward arc and CC+tails all-around


Noted. I will get onto it later this week.

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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:58 pm 
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@steve54: Yes but the precedence is the Titans in the rulebook. All arm weapons have Forward Arc (FA). All carapace mounted weapons have Fixed Forward Arc (FFA). This can't be because of weapon type but because of weapon mount.

@frogbear: How about Raptures? Sounds similar to Raptors which the Sonar essentially are.

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@steve54: Yes but the precedence is the Titans in the rulebook. All arm weapons have Forward Arc. All carapace mounted weapons have Foxed Forward Arc. This can't be because of weapon type but because of weapon mount.

@frogbear: How about Raptures? Sounds similar to Raptors which the Sonar essentially are.

Thats my point - where does it state what are arm and what are carapace weapons?


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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
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Thats my point - where does it state what are arm and what are carapace weapons?

There's a general convention followed in the background these days that the heavier weapons are fitted on the arms, and lighter weapons are fitted on the carapace.

So if you're following the background, you'll fit the Volcano Cannon-category weapon on an arm.

An exception is the large support missiles, which may only be carapace mounted.

We had to fudge some of these rules in order to make the AMTL list backwards-compatible... thought personally I think that balance would actually be better in the AMTL list if we followed the background more closely!

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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:24 pm 
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The picture of the Titans in the rulebook.
For example: The Warlord's two carapace weapons look the same. It is armed with two Turbolaser Destructors with a FFA each. Conclusion: The Warlord's Turbolaser Destructors are Carapace mounted.

The Reaver'S has two arm weapons look the same. It is armed with two Turbolaser Destructors with a FA each. Conclusion: The Reaver's Turbolaser Destructors are Arm mounted.

Conclusion of the above: Carapace weapons have FFA and Arm weapons have a FA.
And the reverse: If a Titan's weapon i stated as having a FFA it is Carapace mounted. If it is stated as having a FA it is Arm mounted.

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Agreed.

That is a general convention that is followed for all Imperial Titans.

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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
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BlackLegion wrote:
The picture of the Titans in the rulebook.
For example: The Warlord's two carapace weapons look the same. It is armed with two Turbolaser Destructors with a FFA each. Conclusion: The Warlord's Turbolaser Destructors are Carapace mounted.

The Reaver'S has two arm weapons look the same. It is armed with two Turbolaser Destructors with a FA each. Conclusion: The Reaver's Turbolaser Destructors are Arm mounted.

Conclusion of the above: Carapace weapons have FFA and Arm weapons have a FA.
And the reverse: If a Titan's weapon i stated as having a FFA it is Carapace mounted. If it is stated as having a FA it is Arm mounted.


I accept E&Cs point that heaver weapons, by convention, are carapace mounted. I don't think that deducing rules from photos is really a route we want to go down.

As the EC titans do not have existing models etc is there any real problem with giving the EC player, and EC modeller, the freedom to convert their titans as they see fit by giving ranged weapons in the list a blanket forward arc and CC weapons all-around?


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Steve54 wrote:
I accept E&Cs point that heaver weapons, by convention, are carapace mounted.

Err...E&Cs point is that by current Wh40k convention heavier weapons are ARM mounted.

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I don't think that deducing rules from photos is really a route we want to go down.

Err....now i'm speechless...

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As the EC titans do not have existing models etc is there any real problem with giving the EC player, and EC modeller, the freedom to convert their titans as they see fit by giving ranged weapons in the list a blanket forward arc and CC weapons all-around?

True. But please with established weapon mounting conventions.

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BlackLegion wrote:
Steve54 wrote:
I accept E&Cs point that heaver weapons, by convention, are carapace mounted.

Err...E&Cs point is that by current Wh40k convention heavier weapons are ARM mounted.

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I don't think that deducing rules from photos is really a route we want to go down.

Err....now i'm speechless...

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As the EC titans do not have existing models etc is there any real problem with giving the EC player, and EC modeller, the freedom to convert their titans as they see fit by giving ranged weapons in the list a blanket forward arc and CC weapons all-around?

True. But please with established weapon mounting conventions.

I obviously meant arm-heavier

Great

So not-true then? as what I said didn't follow that


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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children Development - Updated List 14 June 20
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Argh. Misread it.
I meant: The EC-Champion is free to mount the weapons on locations he pleases so long as he follows established weapon mounting conventions (thats eg two weapons with FA and two weapons with FFA on a Warlord equivalent. Special cases as head and tail weapons and carapace weapons wich fill up two slots not taken into account).

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As the EC titans do not have existing models etc is there any real problem with giving the EC player, and EC modeller, the freedom to convert their titans as they see fit by giving ranged weapons in the list a blanket forward arc and CC weapons all-around?

Personally I prefer to have fixed forwards weapons on some mountings (carapace) as it makes for a more tactically complex game experience, I feel.

It helps to make Titans a little less "point and click" and makes angles/positioning more important.

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