Yes.

It is just modelled on a unit base.

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Yes, the Daemon Prince is a unit, not a character upgrade.


The Daemon prince is an infantry unit, so according to 1.1.2 in the E:A rulebook, it should have 3-7 infantry models on it. Aside from the Daemon itself, what those other models are is up to you. Much like an Eldar Farseer or an Imperial Guard Commander, the unit includes both the personality described in the unit's name and a few other people. That said, I doubt anyone would particularly object if you used a Daemon Prince model without any other models on the base.

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I have always wondered why the Daemon Prince is so much better armoured than the Eldar Avatar God of war. Note the Avatar does not get RA even though he is so much bigger (DC3), and also the Avatar is only present for one turn.

As it stands, the DP is a real 'no-brainer', and you are not even limited to one!!

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I really wouldn't classify it as a 'no-brainer'. The only formation it is worth putting in is with Terminators - where you are paying 50pts for an a TK attack, and Terminators are a big gamble with BL.

To make them a hard hitting formation then you need to heavily upgrade them, so are paying 500+ pts, and then they are only at more than a +1 in the all-important strategy roll against IG. So you are gambling 500+ pts on a pretty even roll. Then you have the OW tules that make teleporting more difficult in turn1.

I've found the best way of useing terminators is as a minimum size formation to take out artillery+ small WE.

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Like several units / design concepts in the Black Legion list, I feel that Daemon Princes suffered from a form of unregulated 'Mary Sue' syndrome during the (IIRC, closed) development process, so that completely regardless of the eventual balance of the army list, they simply turned out as better than they should be, if they were to properly mirror the Warhammer 40,000 background / rules.

The NetEA rules downgrade its combat power somewhat, but it's still a bargain, IMHO, if not entirely a no-brainer then it's still highly attractive.

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Really? I've been not that impressed with the DP terminator for just the reason you provide - that is it often doesn't work out. Also the Terminator DP costs effectively 115 points. Instead I've been trying one stuffed in a retinue where it makes shifting them/wiping them out damn hard.


Edit - though 310 seems a bit of overkill for anti artillery duties, surely they can munch far bigger targets than themselves. Are you using them on turn 1 suicide or turn 2 onwards?

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...and I have always wonderred why Eldar get a free 'Greater Daemon' when chaos does not....

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. . a good point well made, there are a lot of comparisons here. Both Avatar and GD are restricted where they can arrive, the enemy has some chance of preventing this by killing off significant unit(s) and both disappear at the end of the turn (usually). Though it has weaker armour (Not RA) I cannot comment on why the Avatar is 'free' or indeed why he is available at all.

But the DP is not subject to any such constraints and there can be more than one on the table simultaneously. And while it does have a significant cost associated with it, is a huge boost to the usually non-fearless formation it is added to.

Dropped at a strategic point, even if the formation is subsequently broken, the DP has a high 'nuisance' factor because of the likelyhood of rallying. Consequently the opponent needs to use significant effort to shoot it to death (usually several factors of points more than the value of the DP)

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For what it's worth (from my experience)

I tend to use Terminators as an offensive unit, particularly against low-SR armies like Guard (4 Terminators, 1 Oblit and Daemonic Pact) taking advantage of mistakes that my opponent may have made to roll up whatever high-value target (ideally my opponent's BTS) presents itself. This tactic doesn't work so well against SR4 and 5 armies but this is why I take Daemons, so that I can put them where they're needed from game to game. But the Daemon Prince never seems worth it here.



I always do this, making it your Supreme Commander too is a good way to protect those re-rolls (if the worst comes to the worst), if you use Daemons giving the formation it's part of Daemonic Pact is worth it too (even if the formation is almost wiped out, a lone Daemon Prince rallying and then summoning Daemons, before engaging at 40-odd cm if you took the winged variety is still a threat most people will throw inordinate amounts of firepower at).

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..because they don;t get enough special rules already?