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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:31 pm 
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GD stats got quite a boost in earlier this year as there was information that 40k and WFB GDs would become significiantly more powerful in due time. As I?m not following either of those systems, I can?t comment on that happening.

Dropping TK from the DP would most likely result in me not taking one anymore as it is already a tradeoff in the LatD army between having a Demagogue with Augment Summoning or a DP which is a good choice for a tough Arch Heretic but at the cost of significiantly cutting the combat power of the formation. This problem doesn?t exist in the BL army as the Sorceror is a seperate upgrade.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:28 pm 
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Just a Question...

how is the daemon prince supposed to be based? At least three princes on a stand  ???

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:46 pm 
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(Charad @ Dec. 21 2006,09:55)
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In 40k reference, abaddon's deamon weapon is only that should gain tk attack, others are just augmented cc weapons compared to that.

And what did Abbadons weapon carry? Wasn't it daemon prince?

And that gives Abbadon TK attack? BOUND daemon prince to sword? While daemon prince UNBOUND(ergo lot more powerfull) would be less powerfull?

So tell me: How you justify Abbadons weapon, in which daemon prince exerts only small PARTION of it's power, having TK ability yet daemon prince in it's full glory does not have TK? Out of those 2 it's Abbadons weapon that should pale in comparison to daemon prince. NOT otherway around because the daemon prince is the one able to exert more of his power than daemon prince bound to blade.

Bwah. Seems like Epic army list design has abandoned whole background recently. Epic is fast going down the drain same way as 40k has gone. Bleh.




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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:43 pm 
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Abaddon himself is very able to use that blade, so their combined power could grant extra tk attack.

Daemon princes and others compared to fluff are very inferior in game rules. That is sad, but balancing thing and makes games more enjoyable. (hopefully) :)
If greatest gift is being daemon prince, it shoud be great power, fluffwise...
And as I said before, in games, DP ain't too powerful. But same kind of entities don't have TK attacks either, so why would DP?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:58 am 
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Not all Deamon Princes are created equal.  Some are more powerfull and some have better weapons (The 40k universe is a big place after all).  In Epic we clearly have accesss to the cream of the crop.  Aint it cool?  

Besides, the LatD list is extremely lacking in TK power. If I am not mistaken, the only other unit they have with TK is the Bloodthirster.

I find it perfectly beleivable that there are possessed weapons (and DPs) out there in the 40k world capable of bringing such destructive power to the field.  They only be in the minority, but to say otherwise would be silly. We are talking about the freakin' warp here! :)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:45 am 
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I am in the 'not broke not worth changing' camp. As has been mentioned even the poxiest ork units can get TK. 0-1 SC and 0-1 Greater Daemons in the Chaos list getting it I don't have a problem with. In Epic this time around, Jervis specifically wanted these things to reflect just how terrible they are supposed to be. I didn't like his idea at the time, but I have habituated to it... :) ? Plus it will let me use my little Chaos familiars as Daemon Princes, which means I will have an excuse to buy the warmaster Greater Daemons for use as those..

Perhaps a note could be added that Dameon princes that despite being infantry can be just one to a base - if that is really thought necessary. But hey a couple of underlings on their base would also be fine. As to Deamon Prince weapons - according to the fluff and 40k those could have the power of a bound Greater Dameon IIRC - TK represents that well.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:07 am 
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I'm going to say one thing... Cherebael v Feral titan,  Cherebael 1, Feral Titan 0

Nuff said.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:04 pm 
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Side comment, is there stats for the Primarchs to be found?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:20 pm 
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The Eldar Avatar was always pretty good at causing mega damage with his spear.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:42 pm 
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Tooninki:  Which Primarchs?  Some of the Chaos lists have the primarch stats in the Appendix models (no points, not necessarily tested for effect on the game or balance).

There was also an effort a while back to do Heresy Era stats for both the loyal SM and pre-daemon prince traitor Primarchs.

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Well, i'm kinda towards papa Nurgle so if i can find stats for Mortarion i would be happy!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:25 pm 
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Is there any restriction on Deamon Princes in LatD list? Can I put one to every of my Covenant Covens?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:31 pm 
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(Nicodemus @ Nov. 15 2007,14:25)
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Is there any restriction on Deamon Princes in LatD list? Can I put one to every of my Covenant Covens?

I believe it's supposed to be "One per faction" in the army, so, a max of five with all five Factions represented.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:54 pm 
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..not only 2x TK melee but also 3+ RA, heck this is a combo..
It could be just a character upgrade (+1MW cc, +inv save, fearless) to be added to Lord (or in LatD, to unit) but that truly isn't that formidable... (and definitely not 50 extra points..)

Maybe it could be +2A MW cc, +1A MW ff, inspiring ...

A bit linked to this: as supreme commander has leader and commander, what if the character already has them, is it double leader or not? (like Chaos Lord -> SC)
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