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tneva82	Post subject: Thousand Sons List Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:51 am
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:17 pm Posts: 606	Quote (JOHNDRAGON @ 05 April 2006 (18:40)) Hence should a gamer put one together I would like him/her to be rewarded with a highly competitive unit;and to be able to use it in all Epic tournaments. Which could lead to thousand son army "requiring" said unit to be as good as the other thousand son armies which in turn will require more from players(buy/convert it). One of the reasons why OOP stuff were not given point values in tournament lists in a first place. _________________ www.tneva.net
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JOHNDRAGON	Post subject: Thousand Sons List Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:21 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:22 pm Posts: 13	Warp Palace models:I'd like to see a re lease of a new model or a re- release  of the Man O' War Bane Tower of Tzeentch. JohnDragon. _________________ JOHNDRAGON
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nealhunt	Post subject: Thousand Sons List Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:30 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	Ack.  The Bane Tower is horrible. I really think there is absolutely no chance of a model ever being produced.  I'm going to try to come up with a fairly simple conversion based on existing minis. _________________ Neal
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JOHNDRAGON	Post subject: Thousand Sons List Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:58 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:22 pm Posts: 13	Dear Neal, I have a few further questions after putting together an army for a battle vs the Imperial Guard: Transport:(Rhinos and Land Raiders)-must the full transport requirements of the formation be taken? Thrall Wizards:may a formation of two Warp Palaces take 2 Thrall Wizards each for a total of 4,in contradiction to the instruction that each upgrade may only be taken once per formation?If not,is there a formula for how the 2 Warp Palaces split up their 2 Thrall Wizards? Thousand Sons Retinue:should this be 1+?If not,and I take no Retinues,what happens to the mandatory Thousand Sons Sorcerer Cabal? Daemon Pool:if I take no Daemonic Pact,do I have no Daemon Pool?If there is no Daemon Pool under this circumstance,what happens if the Strategy Roll is a 6? May I purchase lesser daemons whilst having no Daemonic Pact (to protect my Thrall Wizards)? Can I purchase a Daemonic Pact and no daemons in the hope of  rolling a 6 in the Strategy roll-off ,hence adding daemons to my empty Daemon Pool?(Should it exist). As you can see,I find there are small but important omissions in the daemon summoning rules;I suggest that the summoning rules might be better presented in all 3 lists in a series of short cases pruned of all fluff text.Then ask your playtesters to just test the summoning rules in isolation,not in a game situation. Happy Easter JohnDragon. _________________ JOHNDRAGON
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JOHNDRAGON	Post subject: Thousand Sons List Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:23 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:22 pm Posts: 13	Dear Neal, I played 2 games with my Thousand Sons vs the Imperial Guard last night and thought you might liketo know how they went.Unfortunately,my Thousand Sons fared very badly(alas!). Scenario:3000 points ,Tournament.Terrain was rolling hills,small towns and woods. TS Army:formation of 9 Land Raiders with Warp Flame;6 Land Raiders and 3 Predators with Warp Flame;Retinue with Daemon Prince, 3 Dreadnoughts,Daemonic Pact and 1 Rhino;1 Warp Palace of Tzeentch with 2 Thrall Wizards;alternate Warhound Titan;2 Fifelord bombers. Imperial Guard:(Armoured Battalion!)2 tank companies;super-heavy tank company(2Baneblades,1 Leviathan Command Centre)with Leman Russ x 3 and Hydra;3 Manticore batteries;Deathstrike battery. Game one:As my Firelords took off to attack the Deathstrikes,a question arose-can they be used in a formation of 2?Or must they be used singly?They stayed in formation, destroying 1 Deathstrike and breaking the formation.As the Thousand Sons manoeuvred forward,they were pounded by the Manticores,breaking the Warp Palace and Titan and were slaughtered at range by the super-heavies and Leman Russ who simply out-performed the Land Raiders.Turn 2 and Chaos Strategy roll dr 1 killed the Thrall Wizards.The rallied Deathstrike followed up by rolling 3 straight 6es to destroy the Warp Palace .The pounding of the Chaos armour continued, reducing it to broken fragments,whilst the Thousand Sons infantry,moving aggressively forward,took a bloody nose from a Leman Russ tank  company.The Firelords only accomplish light damage on this turn and next when the Manticores again roar into action.Traditionally,the Imperial tanks secure the victory,against what are now broken fragments. Lots of time left,so we swap table edges for a re-match. Turn one sees a more Gung-ho approach by Chaos to cover the distance between the armies more quickly.The Warp Palace is singled out for destruction by the artillery and the Titan smashed by combined fire. Turn two and the tanks slug it out.Chaos infantry are battered and broken by the super-heavies. Turn three and the Manticores return to add their weight to the tank battle.Imperial tanks prevail over the Land Raiders,who,once broken,are easy meat for Manticore disruption attacks.Examination of  Victory goals gives the Imperium a 3-0 win. Should anyone question 9-strong basic Thousand Sons formations,may I refer them to the Imperial Guard Tank Company with its 40 attacks! I fear that the Thousand Sons may proove to be a one unit(Retinue) army-I hope I'm wrong! Hope you have more success with them than I did. JohnDragon _________________ JOHNDRAGON
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nealhunt

Post subject: Thousand Sons List Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:53 pm

Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA

Transport:(Rhinos and Land Raiders)-must the full transport requirements of the formation be taken? The intent is that if you are buying transport, you can only buy enough to carry the formation, so no extras.  The idea of buying Rhinos as AT "meat sheilds" should be out.  I don't have a problem with buying Land Raiders as fire support without transporting the whole formation. That will, obviously, be quite tricky to describe... Thrall Wizards:may a formation of two Warp Palaces take 2 Thrall Wizards each for a total of 4,in contradiction to the instruction that each upgrade may only be taken once per formation?If not,is there a formula for how the 2 Warp Palaces split up their 2 Thrall Wizards?

It's one upgrade for the formation as a whole.  At the moment, the Thrall Wizards don't need to be divided up because they are not specifically assigned to a unit, just to a formation.  Either Palace could use them.  If I end up making them Characters as has been suggested, you would just assign them to a particular unit like any other character.

Thousand Sons Retinue:should this be 1+?If not,and I take no Retinues,what happens to the mandatory Thousand Sons Sorcerer Cabal?

To be honest, it never occured to me that someone might not want to take the TSons retinue in a Thousand Sons army.  I think that the 1+ minimum would probably be best.

Daemon Pool:if I take no Daemonic Pact,do I have no Daemon Pool?If there is no Daemon Pool under this circumstance,what happens if the Strategy Roll is a 6?

You would get 1d3 daemons in the pool, whether you could use them or not.

May I purchase lesser daemons whilst having no Daemonic Pact (to protect my Thrall Wizards)?

Sounds kind of expensive, but nothing prohibits it.  I would actually think that if people thought spending 60 points or so for contingency protection of Thralls was a good plan that the Thralls were probably overpowered.

Can I purchase a Daemonic Pact and no daemons in the hope of  rolling a 6 in the Strategy roll-off ,hence adding daemons to my empty Daemon Pool?(Should it exist).

Nothing in the daemonic pact rules require a daemon pool, so yes.  I don't think it would be terribly efficient.

As my Firelords took off to attack the Deathstrikes,a question arose-can they be used in a formation of 2?Or must they be used singly?

The 1-3 is not a total-army restriction, it's just the designation for the makeup of a formation.  Each formation consists of 1-3 Firelords at the owning player's option.


Good questions.  I will save some of those for the Chaos FAQ.