Comments before final L&D list is turned in |
|
wraeththu
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in  Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:53 pm |
|
| Brood Brother |
 |
 |
Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:34 pm
Posts: 231
|
| Quote (Legion 4 @ 17 Oct. 2005 (10:51)) | Very Nice work Audrey, we downloaded it yesterday ! ?I'll study the L&D list more today. ?I know these would not be on this list, but where is the stats on the Hell Talon, Obliterators, Raptors, Decimators etc. ... ?I only looked at the L&D list quickly so far ! ?  |
They are on the Black Legion Chaos Marine list.
-Audrey
_________________
My Oubliette: http://audreysoubliette.wordpress.com
Old archive: http://oubliette.tranquility-base.us/
|
|
| Top |
|
 |
|
Legion 4
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:54 pm |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
 |
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm
Posts: 36949
Location: Ohio - USA
|
Excellent ! Thank you ! 
_________________
Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Chroma
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:30 pm |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
 |
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm
Posts: 9684
Location: Montréal, QC, Canada
|
| Quote (wraeththu @ 17 Oct. 2005 (15:52)) | | I do not want to cause weapon name conflicts. ?I like the AP5+ stat line, but there really isn't a good name. ?The Heavy Bolter is an AP5+, but Big Mutants are know for carrying Heavy Stubbers. ?Perhaps 2x AP6+ maybe the way to go. ?I am curious what others feel about this. |
I don't think this change should be a problem; the results are statistically similar and the "2x" would really show why their firefight value is so high. I tend to use Big Mutants as shields and heavy assault troops, not for their shooting, so, to keep weapons stats/names the same cross-list, I think this change is fine.
_________________
"EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer
Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Irondeath
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:41 am |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
 |
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:36 pm
Posts: 653
|
| Quote (yme-loc @ 12 Oct. 2005 (01:45)) | 1. Chaos Altar
Yep its slow and its fire power is quite weak, but it is a 4+ RA fearless warengine (with an invulnerable save), it provides cover, an average 75pts worth of flak, gives an inspiring bonus, is a daemonic focus and augments summoning. In my opinion its alot for 150pts. |
Inspring, Fearless WE? Sounds like an IG SHT with Commissar added  ?And they always have one...
Seriously, the reason why the Altar is fairly priced is, again, its inclusion in a large coven of low-grade infantry. An IG SHT is 200Pts singly and 167.67 in the company, but there you have a formation that can be given orders to meaningfully employ its weaponry. The Altar is dragged along with the coven, and is fixed in its support role.
To effectively use the Altar, a Coven needs the Daemonic Pact and Icon Bearer upgrades as well. Add 65 Pts, add 125 for the Altar, now buy a few extra daemons for the Daemon Pool as you will be able to summon more..._________________ Visit www.epic-battles.de the ultimate german epic site&forum!
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Irondeath
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:42 am |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
|
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:36 pm
Posts: 653
|
|
2xAP6+ is similiar on ordinary fire actions, but the dynamics change on doubles or sustains. Not much though...
_________________ Visit www.epic-battles.de the ultimate german epic site&forum!
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Chroma
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:46 pm |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
|
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm
Posts: 9684
Location: Montréal, QC, Canada
|
| Quote (Irondeath @ 18 Oct. 2005 (09:41)) | | To effectively use the Altar, a Coven needs the Daemonic Pact and Icon Bearer upgrades as well. Add 65 Pts, add 125 for the Altar, now buy a few extra daemons for the Daemon Pool as you will be able to summon more... |
Why would a Coven with an Altar need an Icon Bearer? The Altar has Daemonic Focus already included.
_________________
"EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer
Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
wraeththu
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:19 pm |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
|
Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:34 pm
Posts: 231
|
|
This is the list of changes so far to the L&D list.
1. Switched Arch Heretic and Demagogue names so they now match their definitions.
Demagogue-leaders who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace.
Arch Heretic-The chief : principal person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Emperor.
2. Split Demagogue (formerly Arch Heretic) and Aspiring Champion into two separate stats
3. Changed Questor cost to 275pts and Subjugator to 250pts
4. Questor and Subjugator can now form mixed formations
5. Subjugator Hellblades are changed to Extra Attacks(+2) TK(D3)
6. Waiting on answer to Critical Effects on Greater Daemons and Chaos Altar
7. Changed what can be transported by Chimera and Land Transport. Explanation of what must be transportedis changed to infantry units that move 15cm or less.
8. Changed Big Mutants Heavy Stubber AP5+ to 2x Hvy Stubber AP6+ to keep consistent with Heavy Stubber stats.
9. Change break down of traitor units in the coven as follows.
up to 3 Leman Russ 70pts each
up to 4 Traitor Support?25pts each
up to 2 Hydras?50pts each
up to 3 Griffons?35pts each
up to 3 Hellhounds?50pts each
-Audrey
_________________
My Oubliette: http://audreysoubliette.wordpress.com
Old archive: http://oubliette.tranquility-base.us/
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Legion 4
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:35 pm |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
|
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm
Posts: 36949
Location: Ohio - USA
|
|
Some thoughts/comments/etc. on Chaos : Juggers and Slann Riders = Bikes ? Flying discs = Land Speeder ? Beastmen = Mutants Minotaurs = Big Mutants? Trolls = Zombies ? Just some ideas from the Old School with all those minis in my War Room ! :laugh:
_________________
Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
yme-loc
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:38 pm |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:58 pm
Posts: 599
|
|
All sounds good, although
I dont think the subjugator was costed wrong at 225pts, it is very specialised and with the low strategy rating of the lost and the damned its a little tricky to use.
Also I am still very much of the opinion land transporters should be 15pts.
_________________
Epic UK - Improving and Enhancing Epic Gaming in the UK
[url]http://epic-uk.co.uk/wp[/url]
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Chroma
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:42 pm |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
|
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm
Posts: 9684
Location: Montréal, QC, Canada
|
| Quote (Legion 4 @ 18 Oct. 2005 (15:35)) | Some thoughts/comments/etc. on Chaos : ?Juggers and Slann Riders = Bikes ? ? Flying discs = Land Speeder ? ? Beastmen = Mutants ? Minotaurs = Big Mutants? ?Trolls = Zombies ? ?Just some ideas from the Old School with all those minis in my War Room ! ?  |
I've been using Slaanesh Riders as Rough Riders in my Cultist list, though they probably are more like Chaos Marine bikes.
I've used minotaurs and trolls as Big Mutants and beastmen as regular Mutants; it all works out pretty well.
_________________
"EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer
Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Legion 4
|
Post subject: Comments before final L&D list is turned in Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:08 am |
|
| Brood Brother |
|
|
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm
Posts: 36949
Location: Ohio - USA
|
Well at least, we're on the right track ! ?What about War Alters ?
_________________
Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
|
|
| Top |
|
|
