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Death Korps of Krieg 1.9
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:14 pm 
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Latest Full Document Version: Version 1.9

Latest armylist update:
Version 1.91



Version 1.91

- Provisional Baneblade stats adopted.
- Hydra battery goes from 150 to 100pts.
- Heavy AA gun goes from 200 to 150pts.
- Extra Infantry given the option to take a Gorgon.
- Centaur upgrade for Light Support Batteries goes from 50 to 25pts.
- Gorgon changed from 75 to 50pts.
- Gorgon changed from 15cm move to 20cm move.
- Gorgon critical hit table made less-harsh.
- Changed Medusa main gun to be closer to the background (More useful in a bunker-busting role than as a bombardment gun).
- Removed the Leman Russ Destroyer.
- Restricted access to the rare Leman Russ variants.
- Trenchworks added.
- Stormsword main gun loses MW status, but gains Disrupt.
- Mossino Campaign pages added to main document.
- May not fire when moved removed from AA guns.
- Added Reference Sheet
- Centaur changed to LV status.
- Proposed Marauder Bomber stats adopted (In reference sheet, not yet in main document).




Version 1.9 changes:
- Vanquisher stats changed to match the standard IG Vanquisher with sponson weapons.
- Gorgon firefight changed from 4+ to 5+.
- Changed the Commissars rule to ?1 commissar per 500pts?
- Gorgon critical-hit table modified to become harsher.
- Added more flavour text and unit pictures.
- Five unit types dropped (Chimeras, Super-Heavy Mortar, Deathstrikes, Snipers, Rapiers).
- Added the Macharius and Command Macharius tanks.


Rip it a new one please gents.




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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:06 pm 
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Thanks E&C, it is looking good.

A couple of questions.

Any reason why the Destroyer is different from the Armoured Company list?  I really liked the idea of a sniper tank.  Didn't Dan Abnett right a couple of pages on a Destroyer commander in one of his Ghosts books?  I think the tank was named Gray Death or something like that?  He described it as laying in wait and taking out enemy armour from under cover.  I thought the AC version fit that very well.

Also, any thoughts on giving the extra Infantry upgrade the option to include a Gorgon for 75 points?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:43 pm 
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the list is shaping up nicely mate, like the new pictures and other stuff.

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(Dave @ Jun. 11 2007,21:06)
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Thanks E&C, it is looking good.

A couple of questions.

Any reason why the Destroyer is different from the Armoured Company list?  I really liked the idea of a sniper tank.  Didn't Dan Abnett right a couple of pages on a Destroyer commander in one of his Ghosts books?  I think the tank was named Gray Death or something like that?  He described it as laying in wait and taking out enemy armour from under cover.  I thought the AC version fit that very well.

I intend to update the Armoured Regiment armylist in the next few days, and it'll then take the same stats as those found in this list.

Essentially, we found that Sniper was too powerful an ability for such a long-ranged attack; Several times I was able to take out transport vehicles which contained enemy Supreme Commanders etc.

Instead I've gone with an AT4+ shot which has Titan Killer status... which techinically is a rule-breaker but I think it's logical enough to stand scrutiny.

Which means it's a superb tank-hunter, which will be able to pick out and snipe any War Engines in a target formation, yet is pretty much useless against infantry.

Plus it's worth noting that TheRealChris had some good stuff to say on this subject that also helped me find their correct feel (Most historical tank-hunters are more shoot-n-scoot oppertunistic tanks, rather than literal snipers)


Also, any thoughts on giving the extra Infantry upgrade the option to include a Gorgon for 75 points?


I'll note that one down.

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(Pulsar @ Jun. 11 2007,21:43)
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the list is shaping up nicely mate, like the new pictures and other stuff.

Cheers Pulsar, of anyone here you've helped me sort out this list the most by being my main playtest opponent! :)

I've only got a couple of flavour texts left to do (Though some need some rewriting), after that I'll write some kind of WWI-esque story to go along with it, in a similar manner to the Raiders suppliment project.




Anyone got any opinions on which army should be the opposition?

Lost and the Damned would seem to be the first choice, but maybe there could be some other options.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:32 am 
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Orks :) The DeathKorps fought some major battles on Armageddon.

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I think Lost & the Damned are already going into Black Crusade that Chroma is working on.

The Raiders project has the Tallarn, Dark Eldar, and Necron List in it.  

So what list should would be in a Krieg supplement - maybe another list has to be developed after this one, a Chaos one like the list in Siege of Vark!  (Should probably get that book huh...)  A supplement covering the larger war on Vark may be cool.  Possibly another similar setting and a slightly different Chaos list with mixed forces.

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(BlackLegion @ Jun. 12 2007,03:32)
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Orks :) The DeathKorps fought some major battles on Armageddon.

There were only five regiments of Death Korps on Armageddon, which is very small as far as Death Korps deployments go.

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(orangesm @ Jun. 12 2007,06:00)
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So what list should would be in a Krieg supplement - maybe another list has to be developed after this one, a Chaos one like the list in Siege of Vark!  (Should probably get that book huh...)  A supplement covering the larger war on Vark may be cool.  Possibly another similar setting and a slightly different Chaos list with mixed forces.

The Vraks Traitor Guard armylist would be fairly easy to transfer to Epic... ultimately it would look pretty much like the Steel Legion army list, with many of the options taken out, and the addition of:

- Small amounts of Alpha Legion Chaos Space Marines (Let's say you're allowed to spend 10% of your points on Alpha Legion Formations).

- Traitor Psychics.

- The Malcador tank.



It's a possible I suppose.

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(Hena @ Jun. 12 2007,06:53)
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I'd split the Heavy Support Battery into two different formations.

Heavy Support Platforms
Anti-Aircraft Platforms

Could happen. I've an idea how to tidy up the 'may take Trojans' entry too (With asterisks ala the core Rulebook's Chimera options).



And I'm still nagging about the existence of the LR variants. This time I'd hope that you drop the Destroyer and Vanquisher :).


Not gonna happen, sorry. :)

Then typo correction :). The may have three centaurs in Light Support Battery could use '+' in front of the Centaurs entry.

I'll note that down.

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Why do the infantry have Twin heavy stubbers? The 40K models have single stubbers IIRC. Is this a typo or should I be modelling my troopers with twin barrelled guns?

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Krieg Infantry use twin heavy stubbers:





I don't think there's a good proxy model available currently.




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Thanks E+C!
I hadn't seen this one before, only the Grenadier version:
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