Basilisks are 5+ armour save, manticores 6+. Too fragile to have 9 in a company. Try it, you will see what I mean - also 9 direct firing basilisks are a good eldar av detarant
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| Author: | Dave [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:26 pm ] |
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And here's number two for the week. I cannot comment on Manticores as I have yet to use them in a game. To get the discussion going though the general idea I got from the main review thread was that they were under priced. How would people feel about paying some points to upgrade 3 Basilisks to 3 Manticores? Whether they be in the Artillery Company of Battery. Say 50 points for 3? |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:38 pm ] |
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I'd prefer an upgrade cost, as I find Basilisks to be slightly inferior, even with their auxilliary direct-fire mode. |
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:38 am ] |
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With the barrage changes it comes down to Basilisks better in companies, manticores in batteries (they lack survivability and big formations lose out in terms of the barrage table). |
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| Author: | Dave [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:32 pm ] |
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(The_Real_Chris @ Jun. 06 2007,22:38) QUOTE With the barrage changes it comes down to Basilisks better in companies, manticores in batteries (they lack survivability and big formations lose out in terms of the barrage table). I don't get how Basilisks are better in companies than Manticores. 9 Basilisks will give you 9BP every turn, 9 Manticores could give you alternating turns of 8BP & 10BP if you fired 4 one turn and 5 the next. BP Xtr T Xtr BM AP AT 8-9 Two One 4+ 5+ 10-12 Two Two 4+ 5+ What am I missing? |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:36 pm ] |
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(Dave @ Jun. 07 2007,13:32) QUOTE What am I missing? Perhaps the effects of suppression? Losing 2BP per BM as opposed to 1BP? I'm not sure. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:34 pm ] |
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Manticores have Disrupt so will guarantee more BM than the Basilisk Company. |
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| Author: | Moscovian [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:43 pm ] |
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You can get the 8BP / 10BP effect with 8 Basilisks and 1 Manticore. The drawback is you don't get disrupt, but at the same time you do get the direct fire option. I like that in a tourney game since most boards are played the short way and your opponent is usually up in your face before you know it. |
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:14 pm ] |
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Basilisks are 5+ armour save, manticores 6+. Too fragile to have 9 in a company. Try it, you will see what I mean - also 9 direct firing basilisks are a good eldar av detarant
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| Author: | NOVAGUARD [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:07 pm ] |
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i dont see the issue with them as they are... maticores in companies usually die horribly..( 6+ armour and they are usually without fail the 1st thing to get targeted.) batteries make more sense as they are less common than the bassie... |
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| Author: | Markconz [ Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:42 pm ] |
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(The_Real_Chris @ Jun. 07 2007,17:14) QUOTE Basilisks are 5+ armour save, manticores 6+. Too fragile to have 9 in a company. Try it, you will see what I mean - also 9 direct firing basilisks are a good eldar av detarant 9 direct firing basilisks isn't really any more of a eldar AV deterrent than 9 indirectly firing basilisks because the barrage table is changing to AT5+ at 3BP. Indirect 4+ vs direct overwatch 4+? Isn't this something of a problem. Basilisks have an ability they shouldn't bother using, and manticores get even more effective compared to basilisks. |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:46 am ] |
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(Markconz @ Jun. 28 2007,22:42) QUOTE 9 direct firing basilisks isn't really any more of a eldar AV deterrent than 9 indirectly firing basilisks because the barrage table is changing to AT5+ at 3BP. Indirect 4+ vs direct overwatch 4+? Well, against a 5-strong Swords of Vaul, the Manticores can get a max of: 5 hits. The direct-firing Basilisks can get a max of: 9 hits... almost double, so that's something in their favour... not much, I grant, but something. |
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